Fellas, I knew that some folks on this board will surely be rattled when I mentioned Anambra State and how disappointed I am with the way those who carried out the Umeh-led coup are from there. But as everyone who is old enough on this board can decifer, unlike some who are good at telling everyone what they wish to hear, I, Nwa Aro on the other hand is not a good student at calling a spoon a spade or vice-versa. So you guys should expect to see Nwa Aro defend his territory if there's need to do so with the likes of Okwy.
Away from that, what I would have loved you guys to rebutt is the FACT that Umeh as a politician who want to rule not only Igboland but Nigeria was credited with such reckless comment and it went uncondemned by you guys as you are doing because Nwa Aro who is a private citizen replied him back. If its a "passive" comment as Ukaobasi want us believe, then why shouldn't Nwa Aro tell his type that we Igbos from other parts of Igboland ARE NO SLAVES NOR STRANGERS? As they say in Igbo, "obu okwu bu tere okwu" (its one comment that brought about a response), so waht I did was to put the likes of Umeh in their RIGHTFUL PLACE. That is what I did, but if you guys dont like it, you could as well see it as a "passive" comment if you believe Ukaobasi's explanation. Coming to this thread which every reasonable person would have decerned that it is USELESS, (since it was started by Okwy with the only motive to rescure one his own own or call it his "hero"), I can however bet with all my money that if Ojukwu were to be someone from another part of Igboland, if no one else will, Okwy would have been the first to call the hangman to hang him even before we hear the whole story! So why the double standard in this case? Your guess is as good as mine.
Talking of Anambra State, it might interest some of you to know that I am a "Nwadiala" there. This fella's (Nwa Aro's) mother is from an Aro community in Anambra State (precisely from Ihiala Local Government), So Nwa Aro's blood is full of Anambra. Hence, Nwa Aro HAS NOTHING AGIANST PEOPLE FROM ANAMBRA STATE OR FROM ANY OTHER PART OF IGBOLAND. Besides, as a home-breed, it is not lost on me that there're Aros scatterd in many towns and villages in Anambra State and in other parts of Igboland as Odili rightly observed.
Coming back again, I would have loved to see this united condemnation from members of this board when Nwa Asaba made a similar miscaculated and sweeping comments about the Aro people and alluded that there was an "accord" reached by other Igbos that NO Aroman/woman will ever rule any part of Igboland. Infact, it is the dead silence and somewhat indirect support of his tirade that made me start questioning how truly united we Igbos on this board are. Unfortunately, I am still doing that brooding.
As to Nwa Aro's political phylosophy, I am guided by no other rule than that we are all born EQUAL and have every right to contest any post or position of our choice. Those who can should review the threads on this board and those at egbeomoduduwa to see how Nwa Aro has stood in support (when they are getting it right) and in condemnation (when they are fumbling) of Igbos, even more so with my fellow Aros (Greg Mbadiwe, Onyeka Onwenu, etc come to mind) politicians.
Bottomline: those who see Igbo as Igbo and want us to be united as I wish we were and pray that we become should demostrate that by praising when their "enemies" are getting it right and condemn when their "friends", "brothers" err.
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The National Working Committee (NWC) of the All Progressive Grand Alliance (APGA) yesterday announced a general amnesty to its presidential candidate in the 2003 elections, Dim Chukwuemeka Odim-uegwu Ojukwu, leader of the faction of the party, Chief Victor Umeh and others expelled from the party for anti party activities. Chairman of the party, Chief Chekwas Okorie, who stated this however said that the general amnesty does not imply that they should assume their official positions, stating that is the decision of the National Executive Committee (NEC) of the party to decide. This came as the northern caucus of the party reiterated its support for the Okorie led NWC, while lampooning Ojukwu for his role in the crisis in the party. The APGA Northern Caucus also want the office of the leader of the party currently held by Ojukwu to be zoned to the north as the southeast cannot hold both office of national chairman and national leader. Addressing newsmen after its NWC meeting at the party national secretariat Okorie who was confirmed as the National Chairman of the party by the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) said that the amnesty to Ojukwu, Umeh and others was in the spirit of the season and in the spirit of reconciliation in the party. According to the APGA Chairman, "what has happened in the party to us is a no victor, no vanquished situation. We don't want to claim any victory for any body, to us, it is a victory for the party and in that regard, and we have met and decided that in the spirit of true reconciliation, that every one expelled is hereby granted amnesty. They have been pardoned. Therefore, I will say come back to the party and sin no more. "Though God through INEC has decided this battle in our favour, we shall not appropriate victory alone, we are extending hands of friendship to all our brothers, believing that they will show remorse and return to the party for the overall goodwill and development of the party." Okorie who stated that he is no longer the embattled chairman of the party said that with the recent letter from INEC, "I am now the confirmed national chairman of the party." ------------------------------
Finally, it was the GANG UP AGAINST CHEKWAS OKORIE THAT DID NOT STAND THE TEST OF TIME. Okwy and co who supported this madness (because it was instigated by their demigod, Ojukwu) should bury their heads IN SHAME.
Talking of contributing money, anyone expecting Nwa Aro to make a dime financial donation on this board will be expecting the unexpected. Moreover, one DOES NOT need to pay a dime or be a member of APGA or any party to make comments on a matter that affects the IGBO NATION. For the records, Ojukwu did not say that he is "EzeIgbogburugburu of APGA, rather he claimed to be that of "Eze NDIGBO," so that is why every Igbo has a right and stake in this matter.
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quote:Originally posted by olusolaa: Nti na-anughi anu ihe, mgbe a ga-egburu ishi e gburu nti.
Sola, Who taught you that? Maan,i dey fear you now o!
All, Truely Ojukwu might have some sort of grandeous delusion that he was in control of whatever relationship he was cultivating with Aremu over the APGA crisis.Now,he should know better.He also woefully failed tactically by wrongly prempting his expected invitation to the confab. Umeh is definitely a tactless crook based on his referal to Chekwas state of origin in his venomous statement.As he sought to use Ikemba`s influence to unseat his arch foe Chekwas.Again,Ikemba fumbled that crisis but accepting the Umeh camp.Instead of being a father figure to settle the rift.
Like Ogbunigwe rightly adduced,Okwy`s sentimental opinion to absolve Ikemba of all wrong doing is definitely his own personal opinion and has no link whatsoever to be set up as Abia vs Anambra crisis. Nwa aro`s venom truely raises the most frightening and indeed biggest obstacle to the achievement of the Biafran Independence.Nigeria`s problems have been blamed on Awolowo who exactly in the same venomous manner sensitized the west to see Igbos as different and cannibals.We as Igbo people MUST do away with the post colonial balkanisation of Igboland. Resist and condemn in the strongest terms those agents who attempt to plant the same evil seed of statism, nepotism ,tribalisms,skin colour shades,dialect variations or whatever division tactics that had ruined Nigerian unity amongst our own Igbo people.
quote:high brow extremely academic analyses being capably applied by Ukaobasi, Greg, and Father John, all of which lack any foundations in fact or reality.
Thank you for the compliment, I think. For me, it was not a matter of only absolving Ojukwu, but to be able to preserve something of what he once meant to all Igbo. I dare say, if his trial had not been in the court of public opinion, he might have been aquitted of most of the charges against him, many of which are based on imaginary motivations, not yet proven, but accepted by too many for an advocate to make any fruitful defensive argument. At some point, people who have already made up their minds just fold their arms and stop listening to anything other than what they already believe. It is at this point that the venue of a trial must be changed in order to get a fair one, for in the words of many defense advocates, "my client cannot get a fair trial in this state." Such has been the case with Dim Ojukwu at BNW. Your views, Leo, and those of Nwa Aro, and of many others form the "foundation in fact and reality" for this declaration and complaint I could make, and I repeat, Dim Ojukwu cannot get a fair trial at BNW, and I think, if this was a courtroom, he would be granted a change in venue to assure that he gets one.
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quote: The fact that you are absolving that moron of any blame on this matter is indeed worrisome.
I honestly don’t think Leo absorbed anyone's unpopular opinion vis-à-vis Anambra/Abia comments, his only allusion was this thread which to me was duplicitous since a relative one exists too. Our comrade Okwy should have continued on the thread started by Uka even as I acknowledge this shouldn’t have warranted the acrimony towards him. Okwy is not Ikemba, neither is he Okorie or umeh so the loaded attack was misdirected as many commentators already pointed so let’s end this, enough should be it right about now, guys. Ojukwu ERRED and I hope he sees the new effort by Okorie to restore his lost prestige without allowing himself to be misguided again by umeh who by all known norm is a menace to our advancement.
To those responsible:
The childish insinuation that Asaba and beyond are not Igbo should desist if we expect our adversaries to see us as serious in our fight to actualize our dream nation. Also, Ikwerre man is a bonafide Igbo I see their sometimes about face as a consequence of our failure to come out of that war victorious. Please let us bring an end to the bad habit of poking porn of another Igbo's genesis. Aro, Asaba, Ikwerre etc all have equal rights on anything pertaining to the Igbo so let the wise lend their ears.
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METAMORPHOSIS (NOT BY FRANZ KAFKA), & DESPERADOISM
Pupaetion from Larva stage
quote:Originally posted by NwaAro:
....you guys have to review the "Ojukwu is a Traitor" thread to read where Umeh told Chekwas Okorie to "go back to Abia State... (or something in that line)" to understand the mind-set of those folks from Anambra State. .....That unfortunately is the reason why Okwy like Ojukwu saw Okorie as an "outsider" who should be short-changed for a Yoruba. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why Ojukwu who often spoke in Igbo language at public foras decided to speak in Yoruba when Chekwas was around.
Catalyst
quote: Originally posted by Ukaobasi:
......Umeh's having "told Okorie to go back to Abia" is only an after-thought of an excuse that has now been latched onto by those having nothing more to add to the litanny of abuse who wish to open up the Anambra vs.Abia vs.Delta vs. Ebonyi vs. Enugu vs. Imo vs. Rivers dimension of untapped opportunities
Adult stage
quote:Originally posted by NwaAro:
.......If its a "passive" comment as Ukaobasi want us believe, then why shouldn't Nwa Aro tell his type that we Igbos from other parts of Igboland ARE NO SLAVES NOR STRANGERS? As they say in Igbo, "obu okwu bu tere okwu" (its one comment that brought about a response), so waht I did was to put the likes of Umeh in their RIGHTFUL PLACE. That is what I did, but if you guys dont like it, you could as well see it as a "passive" comment if you believe Ukaobasi's explanation
Finally Nwa Aro decides to mention "Ukaobasi" by name. In Nwa Aro’s world: only an after-thought of an excuse = "passive" comment. IS THIS THE MOST DESPERATE MEASURE AVAILABLE??? HOW ABOUT SOME BOLD HYSTERICAL CAPITAL LETTERED WORDING FOR ME TOO!!!
Was wondering For sometime I was beginning to wonder who the following character or personage was:
"Some"
"Those"
"Others"
"anyone"
"They"
"the type of Igbos whom we must keep in check if Igboland must progress"
"their errand boys from other parts of Igboland"
"inAUTHENTIC, unORIGINAL and PROUD Aroman on board"
"Ojukwu apologists"
"Ojukwu worshippers"
"Ojukwu errandboys"
"Ojukwu diehards"
Okwy has only made a couple of posts, in addition to this wonderful thread, but "Some", "Those", "Others", "anyone", "They", "Ojukwu apologists", "Ojukwu worshippers", "Ojukwu errandboys", "Ojukwu diehards" etc. have sure taken some unwarranted abuses. Now NwaAro finally mentions “Ukaobasi”?
QUESTION:
So Nwa Aro, does Arondizuogu no longer count as authentic and original in Aroness?
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quote:Originally posted by UKAOBASI: My "facts and reality" maybe totally different from yours. Whose is right? Nobody knows, only time will tell.
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The other reality staring me in the face is that before I demand accountability from Chekwas, Ojukwu, Umeh, and co for having "let me down" "betrayed my trust", "sold out", "betrayed Igbos", "subjected Igbos to ridicule", "allowed Obasanjo to outsmart them", etc... (Umeh's having "told Okorie to go back to Abia" is only an after-thought of an excuse that has now been latched onto by those having nothing more to add to the litanny of abuse who wish to open up the Anambra vs.Abia vs.Delta vs. Ebonyi vs. Enugu vs. Imo vs. Rivers dimension of untapped opportunities ). Before demanding accountability has anyone including those foaming at the mouth with venomous and rabied outbursts against Ojukwu, Umeh, APGA, Anambrarians, Zik, Ojukwu apologists, un"original Aro"s etc.., asked themselves the following?:
What have we done for APGA lately?
How much continuous funding have we provided to assist APGA and help it maintain relative independence from ill intentioned infiltration and negative external influence?
What other well funded, Igbo/S.southern agenda bearing, all Igbo/S.southern elite funded, Igbo/S.southern grassroot funded, all Igbo/S.southern operated, Efulefu free, "Nigeria" reflecting, political party do we have waiting in the wings to supplant APGA?
How many have spent sleepless nights in strategy sessions with Chekwas Okorie and 71 yr. old Ojukwu and what genius did they contribute or have been contributing to reconcile many of the oxymorons in the immediate previous question?
Do we even know how and by which major donors APGA is being funded, and when last did we inquire?
Do we know what deals have been made, and with what devils just to be able to keep the party financially afloat?
Do we know for how long such deals have existed, and what was bargained away as compromise?
What tangible help has been accorded Ojukwu to "lead" the Igbo nation, other than "moral support"?
Have these questions been asked? Isnt it obvious that without demonstrating how we have previously dwelt upon these issues, the best we can do is make thorough inquiry before bandying allegations?
We can only therefore either propose our ways to handle the situation or go to our inner chambers and brood. Some could even make brisk business by making Ojukwu, Chekwas, Umeh, and APGA posters with targets on them (like the Osama bin laden type) which some can purchase and then throw darts at to relieve their tension, the other option is to balkanize Igboland into states where Igbos are (largest) minorities so that PDP can represent our interests, that way, all those "Ojukwu errand boys", "Ojukwu apologists", and injustice mongers like them would cease to bother us all.
Ukaobasi my brother:
No biting at all. Your Jannet Jacksonesque question of the "what have you done for me lately?" mould may be a part of the problem. Has it occured to you that there may have been some people or groups who were working to do exactly the things that you proposed? Where does Ojukwu's behavior leave such efforts? Besides, it is the responsibility of those who seek to lead to speak openly and clearly about what they need from their supporters. What have Ojukwu and APGA asked for lately that they did not receive?
As for,
quote:My "facts and reality" maybe totally different from yours.
I should hope that facts are more sacred than that. I have tried my best to resolve all the credible information available on the Ojukwu/Chekwas/Confab saga in favor of Ojukwu. Each time, the attempt leads to a shameful absurdity. That is enough to show where the truth lies.
Ogbunigwe:
I refuse to be goaded into a joust of the Enugu vs. Imo/Anambra/Ebonyi/Abia kind. As far as I am concerned, such a crass discussion is a foreseeable objective of the originator of this thread; anything to distract attention from the mess his hero has made.
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quote:Nti na-anughi anu ihe, mgbe a ga-egburu ishi e gburu nti.
Sola, Who taught you that? Maan,i dey fear you now o!
Njiko, I consult various sources for knowledge acquisition, internet, friends etc. I understand it meant "The ear that refuses to listen will go when the head is eventually cut off.
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.... Your Jannet Jacksonesque question of the "what have you done for me lately?" mould may be a part of the problem.
Indeed my brother, it is part of the problem as one of my brothers Wacko in this case excerpted that same exact quote in questioning Ojukwu's Igbo allegiance, given his most recent actions. My use of it was exactly to remove the focus from Ojukwu alone and share it amongst those who seek to cast their barrage of boulders and daggers. That is why I followed with the contextual questions.
quote:I should hope that facts are more sacred than that. I have tried my best to resolve all the credible information available on the Ojukwu/Chekwas/Confab saga in favor of Ojukwu. Each time, the attempt leads to a shameful absurdity. That is enough to show where the truth lies.
Leo my brother,
On the one hand you rightly express the hope that facts should be sacred. On the other hand your subsequent comment implies that impatience at recieving a reassurance in favor of Ojukwu given the absurdities emanating from this whole affair warrants an automatic judgement of guilt on the basis of actual facts which we still do not have.
My brother I hope that my understanding in that interpretation is not so, because that would equally be disturbing given the frenzied orgy of self immolation which Igbos have inflicted upon themselves using rage against Ojukwu as justification.
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Quote: ----------------------- "...such a crass discussion is a foreseeable objective of the originator of this thread; anything to distract attention from the mess his hero has made.---Leo. -----------------------
I couldn't have put it any better. You could see the diversion from what Ojukwu and co did to what Nwa Aro said or should have said. Even a kindergarten kid reading on this board since this AVOIDABLE crisis started will see that there are people on this board who have tried all they could or imagined to confuse issues. But good enough, the main issue keep coming back like an inflated ball. One consolation though is that the ELECTED chairman of APGA (and recognizes as such by most Nigerians and the world) REMAINS the head of that party.
As I earlier told the Ojukwu camp on another thread to the effect that if this is a war, that they will LOSE and lose BIG TIME, after all said and done, one doesn't not need to be a referee to know which camp, the COUPISTS led by Umeh-Ojukwu or the legitimate government headed by an ELECTED Chekwas Okorie that won at the end of the day.
So those who tried AND FAILED to mislead the Igbo people (by taking side with Ojukwu)) could either be men and accept that they, like their 'hero' GOT IT WRONG, or alternatively, continue with the "nwoke lusia ogu, nwayi ewere akuko" (when men finish fighting women start analysing) type of crassy discussion which they are now engaging in. Ofcourse, only a lazy man will have time to listen/read or attend to such NONSENSE.
Finally, as far as I am concerned and I am sure majority on this board could agree, this matter came to a happy end (for the pro-Chekwases) when Chekwas Okorie made the following TRUIMPHANT DECLARATION:
Quote: ---------------------- Okorie who stated that he is no longer the embattled chairman of the party said that with the recent letter from INEC, "I am now the confirmed national chairman of the party." ----------------------
Ka Chineke mezie okwu! I'm out.
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Nwa Aro chose to deprive me of some of those select capital letters. Now he leaves "Ukaobasi said", and reverts to:
"Some"
"Those"
"Others"
"anyone"
"They"
"the type of Igbos whom we must keep in check if Igboland must progress"
"their errand boys from other parts of Igboland"
"inAUTHENTIC, unORIGINAL and PROUD Aroman on board"
"Ojukwu apologists"
"Ojukwu worshippers"
"Ojukwu errandboys"
"Ojukwu diehards"
Now true to usual top notch form Nwa Aro not only had foreseen it all, he had foretold it all as in:
quote:As I earlier told the Ojukwu camp on another thread to the effect that if this is a war, that they will LOSE and lose BIG TIME, after all said and done, one doesn't not need to be a referee to know which camp, the COUPISTS led by Umeh-Ojukwu or the legitimate government headed by an ELECTED Chekwas Okorie that won at the end of the day
So thats what happened?
QUESTION:
So Nwa Aro, does Arondizuogu no longer count as authentic and original in Aroness?
Dont run my brother!
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The nigerians attempted to damage the psyche of Igbo people at the end of the war using resources extracted from our territory to bribe many of us to deny our identity. It used to be worse right after the shooting stopped in 1970, when the Igbo man from Ikwerre and Ahoada in particular, would tell you "onye Igbo naba ebe gi." Can you make sense out of that? The Onitsha man who worked with me in the bank in Lagos in the mid '70s used to call those of us from Owerri "onye Igbo", and claimed he's Onitsha not Igbo. umeh wasn't joking when he told Okorie to go back to his Aba village. He's similar to the Igbo man from Onisha Ugwu, Steve Nwabuzor, who once wrote to his audience at egbomoduduwa.com that he was not Igbo.
So who is Igbo? Only he who speaks Onitsha or Ikwerre, Owerri, Asaba, Abriba, Ndoki, Arochukwu, Ngwa, Etche, Mbaise, etc. That is the Igbo man's folly!!
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quote:....... and I repeat, Dim Ojukwu cannot get a fair trial at BNW.....
Greg
Have you wondered what made the "big boys" of BNW either silent or come out against Ojukwu? I am talking of people who have staked there reputation on supporting Ojukwu such as OU, Damian, Chiboy?
Could they possibly have information not available to you?
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My brother, any attempt by me to let the world know how offended I was to read the bull jive by umeh would only revive my pain. This hopeless nonentity had the temerity to insult Okorie who’s been there for the Igbo while Ikemba looked on or tilted towards the same folks that eventually undermined him for the gazillion times. Odi kwa nu egwu oooo! In my post on another thread “APGA CRISIS: CHEKWAS OKORIE, UMEH, OJUKWU, ND'IGBO” posted February 01, 2005 11:22 PM, based on umeh’s baby cry about Okorie and repeated here, “ He knows Chekwas is alone, abandoned. What he should do is to pack his load and go back to his village in Abia State. … So, let him apologise publicly and I am asking his people to go to Abuja and take him home. – Umeh.” I stated, “People, now, this has gone too far overboard! So, Umeh now sees this thing as “his people” not Igbo or APGA anymore? Guys, these fly-by nonentities in the person of this hopeless Umeh chap is the reason outsiders laugh hard at us. Why suddenly there’s this division, Abia and Anambra or is it Nnewi? This is wrong and must be condemned by all. The emphasis on Okorie’s state of origin so-called is uncalled for if you ask me. Are we still Igbo or should I now only write to defend the interest of my state IMO, which has been relatively calm despite the day light robbery by udenwa, iwuanyawu, nzeribe??? Boy, these boys are severely deficient when it comes to intelligence. Ikemba should tread very, very cautiously because this Umeh comes across to me as a big time shouter/otinkpu/sycophantic JOBBER. Ojukwu please listen to the voices on the street and be wary of the new jokers in town!
Isn’t it wonderful that the prophesy in the Holy Book is definitely coming to pass?
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quote:Have you wondered what made the "big boys" of BNW either silent or come out against Ojukwu? I am talking of people who have staked there reputation on supporting Ojukwu such as OU, Damian, Chiboy?
Could they possibly have information not available to you?
I have no doubt that what you wrote may be true. But please understand, I was merely expressing an opinion based on my understanding of jurisprudence. My own feelings are pretty much echoed by MeBiafran these days, and Chiboy. Ojukwu bears most, if not all of the responsibility for what went down in APGA recently, and I can't excuse him for that. But his intentions I believe were basically good, no matter how misguided he may have seemed to be in hindsight. I honestly believe that he thought he could do a better job for Igbos than anyone else, and wanted the honor of that service. In the process of seeking it, he miscalculated and mis-judged. The results(paraphrasing Chiboy) have been, at the least, uncomplimentary to him and his constituency. He should take responsibility for these hurtful divisions and do whatever it takes to unite Igbos, even if it means humbling himself. But if all of the things he has been accused of were to be tried here at BNW, he could not get a fair trial in the purest sense of what that means. That's all I'm saying.
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No biting at all. Your Jannet Jacksonesque question of the "what have you done for me lately?" mould may be a part of the problem.
--Leo
Yes, it is part of the problem as clearly shown by Ojukwu's half a million donation to APGA. I saw his donation as the price tag for factional chairmanship of Umeh's APGA. I have searched my news collection fruitlessly for other instances when Ojukwu donated money to APGA. Surely, we can or should debate funding Igbo politics but I don't think Ojukwu's recent actions could have been prevented by just doling out money to him.
quote:Surely, we can or should debate funding Igbo politics but I don't think Ojukwu's recent actions could have been prevented by just doling out money to him.
CSE my brother,
With that comment above, I think we may now be beginning to go around in circles.
The context of my response to Leo should be taken in the totality of the bulletted points that accompany it, so as not be viewed too simplistically.
I dont know who among Ojukwu's critics have been "doling" out money to him, and fear that you totally overlooked that response to Leo which was not about money but about the true responsibilities of ownership.
PERSPECTIVE? SAME!
The position that I have consistently maintained on this board in regard to my guardedness about rubishing Ojukwu with the supposed justification that he welcomed it against himself stands firm in that; I'm against it! regardless of how popular it may be to rubbish him now and into infinity, and how unpopular it may be to encourage caution.
In fact my position has not only maintained a seemingly overwhelming unpopularity rating, its very adamance appears to now court the deliberate misrepresentation and commensurate attacks of mischiefmakers which only makes it even more well dug in.
THE SCENT OF BLOOD; A FEEDING FRENZY: CAUTION!!!
Ojukwu must not be rubbished, just because many smell blood, and in their estimation, he has fallen low and has turned into damaged goods, Insignificant as it were.
Those who have his ear can question him so we may better understand what happened and his rationale. there is nothing wrong with this.
Likewise Umeh must also be questioned for wrongdoing. public opinion does not even bother to accord him relevance anymore, but he is not absolved from thorough and transparent accounting by default of hating him.
ACCOUNTABILITY MUST BE WELL SPREAD
Chekwas Okorie must likewise be questioned. he may have committed wrongdoing and as we have been told about Ojukwu, Chekwas himself is not infallible, and will not be worshipped by Igbos, but I will not go as far as rubbishing him as I reserve for the likes of Iwuanyanwu or Nzeribe.
Those who display incredullity at the audacity to even question Chekwas (now characterized amusingly as a poor, lowly, downtrodden, loyal, underdog who saved Ojukwu from SSS and made him a public figure in "Nigerian politics", hated for being from Abia, and victimized to dejection by Umeh's badmouthing) are either opportunistic at worst or at best sorely mistaken. Chekwas must give account for the unresolved issues which he may still not have addressed, failing to do this whether he's innocent or not does not make him look any better.
If the so-called "Ojukwu worshippers", had dispensed upon Chekwas even a fraction of the rubbishing Ojukwu has been subjected to (because he apparently went to mount olympus to accept the title "gburu-gburu" thus making him automatically more culpable than Chekwas for all violations even if possibly committed by Chekwas) the heavens would have fallen by now given the frenzied outbursts by several members of this board who are chagrined at the thought that Chekwas must now subject himself to scrutiny and put a stop to the unnecessary and unbecoming gamesmanship.
AT THE END OF THE DAY
Something went wrong. The APGA that may emmerge under Umeh is doomed, and similarly the APGA that will emmerge under Chekwas is doomed. This is as simple as it can get. Those who are consumed by a spirit to rubbish Ojukwu may continue. Even if they gorge on it, there would still be that appetite level at which point they may need to loosen their belts and trousers to at least make room for the final swallow. Let them have at it, those who will discern already undertand.
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I don't see the need to resort to courtroom analogy here.
quote:Originally posted by Greg:
I dare say, if his trial had not been in the court of public opinion, he might have been aquitted of most of the charges against him, many of which are based on imaginary motivations, not yet proven, but accepted by too many for an advocate to make any fruitful defensive argument. At some point, people who have already made up their minds just fold their arms and stop listening to anything other than what they already believe. It is at this point that the venue of a trial must be changed in order to get a fair one, for in the words of many defense advocates, "my client cannot get a fair trial in this state." Such has been the case with Dim Ojukwu at BNW. Your views, Leo, and those of Nwa Aro, and of many others form the "foundation in fact and reality" for this declaration and complaint I could make, and I repeat, Dim Ojukwu cannot get a fair trial at BNW, and I think, if this was a courtroom, he would be granted a change in venue to assure that he gets one.
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But if all of the things he has been accused of were to be tried here at BNW, he could not get a fair trial in the purest sense of what that means.
Ojukwu is a public figure, not a defendant in a civil or criminal case. If we could call this a trial, then Ojukwu, as a public figure, is being appropriately tried in the BNW Court of Public Opinion.
The supposition that one's client cannot receive a fair trial in a given forum is filed before the trial, not afterwards. We all know that before this latest incident, even Ojukwu himself could not have shopped for a better forum than BNW; it was at BNW he was hailed the greatest when others jeered him. Thus, it is not the forum, but the outcome that Greg is complaining about.
The currency of public service is credibility, and the trust of the led, two items that Ojukwu's chagrined followers find in short supply about Ojukwu as he has dealt with the APGA crisis, the Obasanjo Owambe Confab, and related issues.
Ukaobasi:
I hope you understand the can of worms you are opening when you laid down your 8-point bulletin. Ojukwu has for years been receiving funds and other perks from various Igbo organizations and individuals, and he has on account that he is "Igbo leader" received compensation from Abuja, from Abacha. Should we now also be demanding accounting for that which was taken from Abuja in our collective name?
When a leader campaigns for and receives the support of a constituency, he becomes subject to their scrutiny and the responsibilities of his agency in their behalf attach irrespective of the accrual to him of additional benefits, especially benefits not promised to him during his campaign. That is why this notion of yours is anathema - the notion that a constituency's right of ownership of a leader's agency and its right to demand the leader's basic loyalty should of necessity impose additional burden on the constituency. It would reduce the ascendancy of the leader to a license to extort the constituency.
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