quote:Originally posted by Confederate: Until u lead a civil war I'll be damned if you talk to anyone you coward! [/QB]
Which gun runner are you representing on this board???!!! Why haven't you led a war to free the millions of African-Americans and Latinos picking oranges in the various plantations in US???!!! What help did your masters render to the oppressed people of the world except to SELL ARMS to them???!!! Why are you crying more than the bereaved???!!! Why has the US not emancipated the people of Dafur in Sudan, no OIL???!!! Why haven't the US installed a democracy in Saudi Arabia, because the present monarchy is playing ball???!!! We know why you are here. As they say, Onye bulu ihe isi, ijiji esoro ya.
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OKAY FIRST OFF, I'm no gun runner. I called your ass out on being a coward. I always wondered what an African would do if I did. Second, no Blacks in the US pick fruit and the Latinos have got no buisness coming here if all they can do is degrade themselves. Also most Blacks are related to West Africans and have inherited none of the Indian courage and all of the African cowardice. To make it plain and simple I just dont trust 'em. I'd lead a reblion and half would shake their heads 1/10 would snitch, 2/10 would protest to death without results and still not learn like in Florida in 2000 and another quarter would just be to scared to help. This is why George Wallace wasnt assisinated and the Klan was NEVER fought. This is why Black armed troops let White hicks in towns near the base push them around. Of the one African kingdom to survive the worse thing was there was not even an Abyssinian capital because the second Menelik II stade in 1 place someone would try to crown themselves king and try to pull a stunt! If you've been sold so many arms why is not their a Biafra? If you've been sold so many arms why weren't you smart enough to turn them on "my" masters? If you've been sold so many arms why does nothing result of your civil wars but bogged down killings fests? If you've been sold so many weapons surely by now your people would've been smart or clever enough to know that you could trick them by making it seem as if Igbos and Deltas were at war and then subsequently turning your guns on Nigeria as a doubled force and abolishing your debacle of a country! You want to know why Sudan gets no help? Maybe because we arn't your daddy. Maybe because we are IN A WAR! Maybe because the AU who swore about Rwanda "never again" is a load. Maybe a ditto for the UN. But you want to hear my opinion as a Black American? I think the genocide in Sudan is a RACE WAR and I really dont think anyone should help them because they've got to do it on their owns. I dont mean that as an insult either. Why hasnt Africa instaled a democracy in Saudi Arabia? Why not in Ethipia for the last 13 years? Why diddn't the OAU turn Ethipia into a republic? Maybe the Saudis actually own Arabia and its not our place to take was they leggaly own??? As they say "when we came we had the land and they had the bible but when we opened back up our eyes they had the land and we had the bible." In my opinion had you read the book they brought you you would've known to strike them dead with it! FOOLS...
P.S. Bosnia diddnt have oil. Jelous?
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quote:Chima has simply voiced an opinion. He has not engaged in any personal attacks. He has wisely ignored your mean-spirited insinuations. You have as loudly condemned Ojukwu, as Chima has supported him. The difference is that you have not stopped at attacking Ojukwu, but you must also personally attack one of his supporters. You may not like his view but please try and be fair to your brother and stop trying to belittle him. – Greg
Let something get cleared right here, we are still supporters of Ojukwu, all we are saying is that his blunder in relation to what happened in APGA, begs for attention, PERIOD! Chima as far as I have known him is someone like many who’s very passionate about Biafra, Igbo, Ojukwu etc I just hope that we do not allow this Ojukwu engineered mess to inflict permanent scar on us here. Hurtful stuff has been said by many comrades and this shouldn't be so, guys. I’ve never supported the innuendos between brothers or any direct insult on Ojukwu but going back to the “personal attacks,” it went both ways, bro. Njoku gave as much as he received although I did rather see us do it in moderation with love.
Assignment to all, when you allude to “personal attacks” on Ojukwu I want us from now to list or highlight those “attacks.” As for me, the way I have interpreted most write ups on this board is that people strongly disagreed with Ojukwu’s handling of APGA’s misunderstanding. He was the architect of that division and should have risen to arrest the situation but no, he went ahead and added more adulterated kerosene to a burning flame with the "street show" at Presidential Hotel, Enugu. That to me was un-statesman! Where does Ikemba’s responsibility lie? None?
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Greg is very selective in his interpretation of what fall under personal attacks. This is not the first time he would show these traits. On the initiation of this thread, Okwy insulted persons on this forum even to the extend of using "ekwensu" to describe some. Greg did not see anything wrong with this but came out with a similiar statement as soon as people had a go at Okwy.
Now, He seems to have ignored all the rantings of Chima Njoku and has come out because people asked Chima Njoku
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Folks The fact remains that Ojukwu's bravery, brilliance,and his strong will, prevented the total anihilation of all us Ndi-Igbo, by the hausas and their yoruba cohort,then the British and Russian war machine which was unleashed on our people. Yet i read people run their mouth here insulting Ojukwu. The truth is that without this single act of this great son of Ndi-igbo you and i will not be here today. You may choose to forget our history and all we went through as a people, that is your problem. None of you will rewrite our history on the internet.
WACKO You need to take a deep breath and relax. You are too abusive and too personal on people for anybody's comfort.It seems you have very poor debating skills.
MeBiafran Remain blessed for speaking out. Love you brother.
What Chima wrote about people being enemy combatants was categorical, but what you guys have insinuated about him is personal. There is a difference.
Greg:
What gives? It seems to me that "categorically insinuate" is an oxymoron. Is there really a difference between telling a man that he comes from a family of fools (personal) and telling him that he and all members of his family are fools (categorical)?
Wacko et al:
Since, on behalf of Chima Njoku, Greg has expressed a preference for categorical insults over personal insults, you should henceforth be very categorical when responding to Chima's attacks on this board. For example, instead of calling Chima Njoku a sabo, you should call him a categorical sabo.
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quote: WACKO You need to take a deep breath and relax. You are too abusive and too personal on people for anybody's comfort.It seems you have very poor debating skills.
This is a bit rich from someone who has never presented any evidence to back up any of the claims he makes. It is this trait that made you come out with such rubbish as
quote:Ojukwu is Igbo and Igbo without Ojukwu is not an Igbo worth living.
quote:For ALL OF YOU WHO INSULT OJUKWU, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT ENEMY COMBANTANT OF NDI-IGBO.
quote:Wacko,
What Chima wrote about people being enemy combatants was categorical, but what you guys have insinuated about him is personal. There is a difference.
Absolute rubbish! All he needs to do is answer in the affirmative if he is related and no if he is not. By your statement, I take it he is related to Raymond Njoku, but frankly that will not do. We need facts. Some one has posed this question and I think it is important this young man responds before people come away with the explanation which Ike gave as the possible reason for his irrational utterances on this forum.
All I can say I know about the chapis that he is a member of BF ,that organisation which began with high hopes around 2001 and whose numbers have since been dwindling because they were unreceptive of ideas that did not originate from a sychophantic core.
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This is what gives...categorical insults can be ignored and side-stepped as if meant for the other guy. Personal ones can't. They zero-in on their subject. It's a matter of preference as to whether one wants to include himself in a category, but there no such choice when the attack is personal. Sabi?
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quote:ALL OF YOU WHO INSULT OJUKWU, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT ENEMY COMBANTANT OF NDI-IGBO.
Greg:
Perhaps you could explain how it is harder for Chima Njoku to exclude himself from the crimes of Raymond Njoku than for the people that Chima perceives to have insulted Ojukwu to escape being enemy combatants. Is it not Chima's choice whether to associate himself with the crimes of Raymond Njoku?
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My plea is for these two erudite and ebullient brothers, Wacko/chima njoku especially, then all to let this thing recede. Ozole nu! For the longest, I've begged all to let this and other useless threads fade without anyone listening to me. As an elder, I deserve to be listened to according to Igbo custom and tradition which if you don't mind, I did like to apply here. Please! No one would deny what tweaked Wacko’s barrage as I saw it, had the debate centered on Ikemba without deviation there wouldn’t have been the need to take off the gloves. It was equally wrong to have questioned chima's relationship with Raymond Njoku although I had expected chima to come back swinging that yes, he's related to the impeccable, the one and only RAYMOND AMANZE NJOKU, the famed Emekuku born Minister of Transport in the first republic. With that the joke would’ve reverted to those who started it, I think. I’ll die for Ojukwu when he’s RIGHT but would however run without looking back when he’s not only wrong, but dead wrong.
quote: The fact remains that Ojukwu's bravery, brilliance,and his strong will, prevented the total anihilation of all us Ndi-Igbo, by the hausas and their yoruba cohort,then the British and Russian war machine which was unleashed on our people. - chima njoku
Nwa nnem, please take it lite your outrage of recent if you ask me is being misdirected at the wrong people. I don't see anyone disagreeing with the quoted comment what people are however saying is not about Biafra rather the way Ojukwu handled the APGA fallout. Still disagree? Now, let me challenge anyone in here that has taken more insults from the islamists in defence of Ojukwu, Igbo, Biafra to please direct us to all the Internet articles (not chat room) he/she might have posted. The only person that I know who have absorbed more attacks from our foes than myself is Peter Opara so let's have this in mind. I’m disappointed that we reduced this to anti-Igbo with one's expression of disgust over how things was handled by certain individuals. Does disagreeing with one's father on a particular subject translate to insult? I don't think so! Who among us have not at a point or another opposed his father’s mishandling of a family related issue? Please take my advice and relax a little, ok? Wacko, you do the same please. Let’s relish the areas where we have common grounds, y’all. Had folks listened to me when I counseled sometimes ago for us to avoid offensive threads started by Igbo/Ojukwu haters Ineba Jimoh’s topic would have languished in darkness, but no, our too sabi never allowed us to pause and here we are. One of our brothers whom I admire so much even publicly reprimanded me for my suggestion after I followed my warning with PM to selected members. BTW, that thread “IGBO: Always Ignore Enemies' New Topics” generated ZERO hit. Unimportant I guess.
Chima, you’re still a brother Ojukwu or not I challenge all to embrace this ideology too. With that said, I believe in consonance with our culture for all of us to reach out with a HANDSHAKE so, I start, a vigorous handshake from me to all my brothers and friends.
I guess Okwy took off like Ben Johnson (LOL) after he realized he opened a can of worms. This should do it, people; the next guy that ignores this plea is the troublemaker. LOL.
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It was equally wrong to have questioned chima's relationship with Raymond Njoku although I had expected chima to come back swinging that yes, he's related to the impeccable, the one and only RAYMOND AMANZE NJOKU, the famed Emekuku born Minister of Transport in the first republic. With that the joke would’ve reverted to those who started it, I think.
"Impeccable", huh! You must mean impeccable embezzlement.
I guess we don't want to talk about the part where Raymond Amanze Njoku of Emekuku and CC Mojekwu of Nnewi embezzled Biafran government money they were supposed to use to buy arms. No amount of cover-up will stop the men of Biafra from answering for their greedy service to our people.
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quote:I guess we don't want to talk about the part where Raymond Amanze Njoku of Emekuku and CC Mojekwu of Nnewi embezzled Biafran government money they were supposed to use to buy arms.
Please link me to where info about Raymond Njoku's involvement is so I can read for myself. According to my recollections it was Mojekwu who fortunately died in a ghastly auto accident on a Chicago highway years later that absconded with our money then. My friend, believe me I'm not one that cover up for anyone. Why? If Raymond is so implicated my accolades will be withdrawn without sweat.
Biafra:
Thank you much. I too thought so. The man was epitome of affability. See, they confuse him with the military Njoku.
Wacko:
No, no! Cease fire is still enforce please don't. Thank you.
B-boyz:
quote:Unfortunately this is BiafraNigeriaWorld and not Igbo world. Elder ko, elder ni.
LOLOLOL.
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I have said what I know about Chima Njoku. He accused me of not being good at debating yet he made a harsh job of attempting to defend Ojukwu. The fact he did this when other Biafra's of proven commitments were very conspicous in there absence tells you a lot about him. As if that was not enough, he came out with a lot of nonsense which smacked of "fatwa" and insinuating that because of the civil war role of Ojukwu, we should not question his actions.
He should have been aware that in waving his role during the war in such a debate, he opens up an re-examination of some war time activities which some people may view as controversial. It also poses the question , if Ojukwu was capable of making those mistakes (of which I would not say I hold against him, ) can he then be said to be infallible as we are being made to believe by Chima Njoku etc? If he is not infallible can we not then call him to order when we see him going the wrong direction?
BTW; Is Chima Njoku related to Alexie Njoku?
On Greg, I would say that his attempt at playing guardian of good manners is at best nauseating. His hypocrisy is so obvious that I wonder if he gets Chima to sling his mud for him. (remember the numerous Check your Pm posts?) Each time someone responds to Chima's insults with an insult, Greg is quick to join it.
Here are some examples;
quote: It is interesting to watch ANTS rant with an icon's name IKEMBA ODUMEGWU OJUKWU. However, if in your own little world abusing and bashing OJUKWU is solution to all your problems here in America and beyond i assure you your life is screwed.
quote: Greg, You spoke my mind.I can't thank you enough. You handled the mad man here very gently
quote:Ineba Jimoh, Please shut your mouth UP . You do not know who Ojukwu is. I am sure you have only seen Ojukwu's pic. in newspapers. You can't even come close to seeing him through out your life time. Keep busy and take care of your family. If you have nothing sensible to write, get off your key board. Enough of your ant ranting.
To which ineba responded,
quote: ] Chima Njoku:
You shut your mouth, midget
Before you could say IgboAfricanAmerican,Greg jumps in,
quote:Now who's throwing insults. One standard for us, and another for them.
I can't stand hypocrisy!
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I haven't started yet, I still maintained that Amanze Njoku was a good man, I was a young kid during the civil war, but I was also old enough to know some of the things that tranpired that time. For example while many shout from Tower of Babylon, I was at Eke Ahiara Mbaise the Night Ojukwu delivered Ahiara Declaration speech. My cousin was one of the people holding lamp (lantern) light so that Ojukwu could deliver his speech. The event started almost at midnight and ended almost at 4.00Am, because of if it had been held during the day, the vandals would have bombed us.
I am never one to claim that Ojukwu or any Igbo leader for that matter is infallible. All I say lets critize them when time calls for that, but lets not engage in personal attacks and insults, I still maintain that. Ndi -Igbo si omu nkwu ghuro nkpo akirika. Lets leave it at that.
quote:Originally posted by Confederate: OKAY FIRST OFF, I'm no gun runner. I called your ass out on being a coward. I always wondered what an African would do if I did. Second, no Blacks in the US pick fruit and the Latinos have got no buisness coming here if all they can do is degrade themselves. Also most Blacks are related to West Africans and have inherited none of the Indian courage and all of the African cowardice. To make it plain and simple I just dont trust 'em. I'd lead a reblion and half would shake their heads 1/10 would snitch, 2/10 would protest to death without results and still not learn like in Florida in 2000 and another quarter would just be to scared to help. This is why George Wallace wasnt assisinated and the Klan was NEVER fought. This is why Black armed troops let White hicks in towns near the base push them around. Of the one African kingdom to survive the worse thing was there was not even an Abyssinian capital because the second Menelik II stade in 1 place someone would try to crown themselves king and try to pull a stunt! If you've been sold so many arms why is not their a Biafra? If you've been sold so many arms why weren't you smart enough to turn them on "my" masters? If you've been sold so many arms why does nothing result of your civil wars but bogged down killings fests? If you've been sold so many weapons surely by now your people would've been smart or clever enough to know that you could trick them by making it seem as if Igbos and Deltas were at war and then subsequently turning your guns on Nigeria as a doubled force and abolishing your debacle of a country! You want to know why Sudan gets no help? Maybe because we arn't your daddy. Maybe because we are IN A WAR! Maybe because the AU who swore about Rwanda "never again" is a load. Maybe a ditto for the UN. But you want to hear my opinion as a Black American? I think the genocide in Sudan is a RACE WAR and I really dont think anyone should help them because they've got to do it on their owns. I dont mean that as an insult either. Why hasnt Africa instaled a democracy in Saudi Arabia? Why not in Ethipia for the last 13 years? Why diddn't the OAU turn Ethipia into a republic? Maybe the Saudis actually own Arabia and its not our place to take was they leggaly own??? As they say "when we came we had the land and they had the bible but when we opened back up our eyes they had the land and we had the bible." In my opinion had you read the book they brought you you would've known to strike them dead with it! FOOLS...
P.S. Bosnia diddnt have oil. Jelous?
Back your words Olu!
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