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The parity between what the Igbo have undergone in that kaikai society, the hopeless land of nigeria and the genocide that occurred in Rwanda against the Tutsis while the world looked the other way and the massacre of Biafrans in northern nigeria are eerily similar as you can see from the quoted article.
quote:There also was “impunity,” he [Paul Rusesabagina, Manager Hotel Rwanda/Ojukwu] noted. Long before the massacres, the Rwandan/nigerian government had done little to discourage the looting of Tutsi/Igbo homes and businesses, a process of demeaning and belittling that scholars have noted is a commonplace beginning of genocide.
“Unfortunately, history keeps on repeating itself and never teaches us its lessons,” Rusesabagina said during his 60-minute address. – RedEye 2/21/05
Italics are mine. The barbaric Hutus are no different than the northern islamists in nigeria who employ all sorts of crude methods to silence civilization as proposed by the Igbo. The resultant outcome of their primitiveness is the drag down of the entire country. With each unwarranted attack by these northern terrorists against the Igbo, they again come close to repeating the attempted genocide of 1966. obasanjo have only two years to put these guys in check so he must DIVIDE THE STUPID COUNTRY NOW! What is he waiting for?
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quote:The Igbo people have been similarly oppressed and brutalized. Their lives and that of their children are considered cheap by their oppressors, who have become so confident in their estimation of the people, that they brazenly orchestrate complete takeovers of their government state houses with little fear of reprisal. - Lifted from another post/thread
Do you see the similarity between this post and your comment? It starts slowly with unnecessary demonstration before graduating into raping and looting of the Igbo then genocide. It still baffles me how obasanjo is letting them carry on with their dubiousness as if the useless country which by every indication they are strangers to is their divine right. Hasn't it been stated and proven that abacha and most of the northern elements are settlers in that country from abutting islamic countries?
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I do clearly see the similarities of which you speak. The difference is that Igbos have already been brutalized and already been the victims of genocide. The Muslims of the north do not have to be conditioned to see us as expendable. That is already an established fact. As long as we have any dealings with them, they will resort to any means necessary to work their trickery upon Igbos, and eventually fall to killing us again indiscriminately. We must not let that happen ever again. We must always be prepared for their evil jihad and give them hell for their trouble, literally.
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There are no similarities because the Tutsi did not declared secession as Ojukwu did, which was what precipitated the deadly civil war. Furthermore, Paul Rusesabagina did not abandon his people like Ojukwu did when he fled to Ivory Coast. Paul is a real hero, in many ways that cannot be compared to Ojukwu at all. This guy had all the opportunity to flee with his family and abandoned those who had taken refuge at the hotel, but he chose to stay and find a way out for the helpless ones.
quote:There are no similarities because the Tutsi did not declared secession as Ojukwu did, which was what precipitated the deadly civil war. Please don’t let us compare apple and oranges.
I'm doing this only as a favor even as I detect venom. Here is what the awusa jihadists your folks joined to engage their fellow Christians in an atrocious war had in mind years before the Igbo elders declared a sovereign and Free State of BIAFRA. After reading info below, please explain to us how we erred.
quote:The programme is outlined as follows: 1. (a) to kill off the Major-General and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, T.J.T. Aguiyi-Ironsi (b) to kill off all the Yamiri Army Officers; (c) and subsequently purge the Army of Yamiri by killing the rest in the ranks. 2. With the aid of the Westerners in the Army, to take complete control of the Armed Forces, the Police and the Navy and to purge off the Yamiri in these Forces too. 3. To kill off and dispossess all the Yamiri domiciled in the Northern Region. 4. To use the control of the Armed Forces to take control of the country's Government. 5. To revenge Sardauna's and Abubakar's death by killing Dr. Zik, Dr. Okpara, Ojukwu and Major Nzeogwu. 6. To destroy Port Harcourt, Enugu and the University of Nigeria, Nsukka. 7. To kill all (a) Yamiri in top civil service posts; (b) all wealthy Yamiri - male and female; (c) all Yamiri educational giants; (d) all grown up males and females of Yamiri; (e) to leave out only sucklings in Yamiri land.
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I can hardly see what difference it makes whether a people seceeded or not; there is no reason under heaven for purposely seeking the extinction of a people. This has been documented by hundreds of witnesses before an international tribunal, which produced the document MeBiafran referred to. Also comparing Ojukwu to the Rusesabagina is the only apple/orange comparison I can see. Saying that Ojukwu should have done everything on the pattern of Rusesabagina is being too simplistic. Besides, what has Ojukwu got to do with this? We are talking genocide, of which Ojukwu had no part.
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Perhaps if history had produced the document below to sanction the genocide of Yorubas, and you had lost many friends and relatives to this criminal activity, you might feel a little different about your awusa friends.
...(b) to kill off all the Yoruba Army Officers; (c) and subsequently purge the Army of Yoruba by killing the rest in the ranks. 2. With the aid of the Muslim solidarity in the Army, to take complete control of the Armed Forces, the Police and the Navy and to purge off the Yoruba in these Forces too. 3. To kill off and dispossess all the Yoruba domiciled in the Northern Region. 4. To use the control of the Armed Forces to take control of the country's Government. 5. To revenge Sardauna's and Abubakar's death by killing Obafemi Awolowo,...
...7. To kill all (a) Yoruba in top civil service posts; (b) all wealthy Yoruba - male and female; (c) all Yoruba educational giants; (d) all grown up males and females of Yorubaland; (e) to leave out only sucklings in Yorubaland.
Obviously the above document has been changed to reflect Yoruba victims instead of Yamiri(Igbo).
What do you say now babbaboyz? Kind of brings it all home, doesn't it? I guess you are glad you're not Igbo,eh?
You will do good to pay little attention to the indolent bababoyz, if Ojukwu were to disappear from the face of the earth he would have no more "raison d'etre". What type of moron will justify genocide on account of secession ?
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quote:Originally posted by Greg: Saying that Ojukwu should have done everything on the pattern of Rusesabagina is being too simplistic. Besides, what has Ojukwu got to do with this? We are talking genocide, of which Ojukwu had no part.
Paul stood by his people up to the point that he could have paid the supreme price, and if that is simplistic in your dictionary, then you have another think coming. Yes I agreed that Ndigbo suffered immensely in the civil war, but to say Ojukwu had no part in the whole war is stretching the truth a little farther.
By the way, apart from the calamity that Ojukwu action visited on Nidgbo, can anyone of you Ojukwu apologists point to one significant thing that he has done for the emancipation of his people. To me, has taken them on a long barren ride, and sadly those who have woke up from their Ojukwu slumber are being called traitor or what have you.
Meanwhile, am beginning to think the handle Greg is not a new comer to this forum and it is suffice to say he is a reincarnation of ----- I have been here long enough to discern the body of Saul and the voice of Jacob.
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Maybe you overlooked this previous question after the presentation of the excerpt from the awusa genocide document; do I take it that you have no answer? “Here is what the awusa jihadists your folks joined to engage their fellow Christians in an atrocious war had in mind years before the Igbo elders declared a sovereign and Free State of BIAFRA.”
quote:By the way, apart from the calamity that Ojukwu action visited on Nidgbo, can anyone of you Ojukwu apologists point to one significant thing that he has done for the emancipation of his people. - bababoyz
As you well know, those of us that are fortunate to still have our fathers alive today will acknowledge in a heartbeat what their presence means to us even though they do not fend for us anymore. Their presence alone prevents a much greater calamity that rears up in the village every once in a while and you know this. If you disagree all you gotta do is just look around your village or hamlet to see how those that lost their father/Ojukwu are treated in matters that otherwise would easily have been handled by a father. The attendant of society's who's who to IBB's daughter's wedding was not out of her own influence whereas had her dad been away not much would have been heard about this wedding sponsored with our money. So, to answer your question, Ikemba’s presence alone helps to put the islamist your folks support in check. We will like to know your position regarding the reversed document by Greg.
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quote:Yes I agreed that Ndigbo suffered immensely in the civil war, but to say Ojukwu had no part in the whole war is stretching the truth a little farther.
I never said Ojukwu had no part in the war. I said he had no part in the genocide, which was already a pre-determined resolution of the Northerners to carry out, well before secession. The genocide did not come because of secession. The secession came because of the genocide. There is quite a difference. This is what I said...
quote:Besides, what has Ojukwu got to do with this? We are talking genocide, of which Ojukwu had no part. --Greg
By the way, I have no idea what you are talking about here.
quote:Meanwhile, am beginning to think the handle Greg is not a new comer to this forum and it is suffice to say he is a reincarnation of ----- I have been here long enough to discern the body of Saul and the voice of Jacob. --Babbaboyz
Could you enlighten me please?
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Greg and Mebiafran, Thanks guys for holding forth. nigerians do not know why Biafran's opted out of nigeria. I bet you, until thy kindom come they will never understand. What we read here is the thinking of re-visionist. Nigeian will remain in disarray until every nigerians apologize to Ndi-Igbo for what they nigerian's did. The Nazi's never saw the day light until they apologized to the Jews.
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Bababoyz It is amazing somebody like you could play ignorance of the genocide you people and Awusa people metted on Igbos. What do you think Ojukwu should done, fold his arms and watch his people been masacared all over Nigeria and your neck of the wood. Is amazing how people like you who have benefitted immensely from that from called Nigeria continue to justify genocide. Put your back handed nonsense " I know Igbos suffered" where sun doesn't shine. Thank God all Yoruba tribe are not as ignorant like you are.
quote:You will do good to pay little attention to the indolent bababoyz, if Ojukwu were to disappear from the face of the earth he would have no more "raison d'etre". What type of moron will justify genocide on account of secession ?
Chiboy, I have always believed, that those who hail from the ethnic groups that carried out genocide against Igbos, seek to limit their own guilt by pointing the finger of blame to Ojukwu. As far as they are concerned, Ojukwu is the main cause, and they are relatively guiltless of these crimes. Hence, the worse the light they can portray Ojukwu in, the better they appear as it regards genocide. There is no question that many are remorseful about how their people treated Igbos, but it is normal for humans to try and deflect blame and criticism from themselves and the groups to which they belong. Ojukwu has been for them the ultimate scape-goat.
But to give some credit to Babbaboyz, he acknowledges that Igbos suffered during the war.
quote:Yes I agreed that Ndigbo suffered immensely in the civil war, but to say Ojukwu had no part in the whole war is stretching the truth a little farther. --Babbaboyz
Without trying to belittle Babbaboyz' admission of our suffering(which is the decent thing to do), such a characterization falls far short of describing the horror and totality of the gruesome cruelty of our present-day Nigerian compatriots. Nor does it portray any outrage toward the criminal participants of wholesale mass murder. The experience of Nd'Igbo cannot be contained in the words, "suffered immensely;" it is like equating 400 years of human bondage to the statement,"I know slavery was wrong, but." That sort of excuse of themselves is used all the time by oyinbo in America to pass over 4 centuries of trafficking in human beings(men, women, and children) as if it were a minor offence, or understandable error on their part, distancing themselves from any real blame or responsibility, as if the whole thing was just a bad dream, or something like.
In a similar manner we can expect those, whose ethnic group persecuted genocide, to pass over and excuse themselves. Even if they care, as I believe Babbaboyz does, the desire to limit their shame at having been, or being linked to such crimes, is rather irresistable. That is why we have to keep our voices loud and full of agitation about it, cos those who bear the guilt will always seek to minimize the historical extent of our past suffering, and their own participation in it.
Chima,
The Muslim genocidal murderers will make their apology one day; either nationally and internationally to all Nd'Igbo everywhere, or at the kingdom come, to Christ. But then it will be too late. I won't say here which apology I prefer.
At this time I believe you're chasing rat in a dire situation with your continued silence on our, Greg & I earlier questions. We were making progress on this board prior to your digression followed by the eloquent hush. Please tell us how the genocide the Yoruba blindly supported amounted to Ojukwu's error? Is it not within reason to assume that if the jihadist north already had a plan based on that document provided by Greg to annihilate the Igbo long before the declaration of Biafra, the only conclusion that makes sense is Biafra’s declaration had nothing to do with the genocide? I really don't see how anyone from the west/Yoruba could justify the madness initiated by the awusa whose goal was the islamization of people they had nothing in common.
Greg,
The Muslim genocidal murderers will make their apology one day; either nationally and internationally to all Nd'Igbo everywhere, or at the kingdom come, to Christ. But then it will be too late. I won't say here which apology I prefer.
LOLOL. But I will. My preference though is “either nationally and internationally to all Nd'Igbo everywhere.”
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