That link could not provide the definition of even one Igbo word or translate an English word into Igbo. Why point bianu.com to a website that does not work?
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quote:Originally posted by Chei: Ala Biafra bu kwa nke anyi Bia nu bia nu unu bia Ka ndi awusa noro nke ha Bia nu bia nu unu bia
That was part of the chorus of a Biafran song.
I am just wondering if Bianu, the organization, might be interested in keeping this Biafran chorus alive, by adopting it as its own. It is definitely not a bad idea.
The Biafra idea is good, but Biafra has already some websites dedicated to it. We have none on Igbo dictionary.
quote:Originally posted by Dave: Sylva:
That link could not provide the definition of even one Igbo word or translate an English word into Igbo. Why point bianu.com to a website that does not work?
Dave, I know. I was talking of tranforming the Bianu website or developing another site using the same domain name to perform that function. It could entail technical problems to be resolved, time, money, etc. But the most important thing is the will and the necessary effort to make it happen. It might not be perfect initially, thereby leaving room for improvements. WWW.dictionary.com is a good example of what I meant or eventually something similar. Of course you can also propose something else.
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I have always tried to makes sense of your arguments and post sometimes, but for the life of me I can't.
Biafra,
Continue trying and do not hesitate to ask me questions if you so desire.
quote:Originally posted by Biafra Where do you stand? Are you for Igbo Biafra or are you another one Nigeria apologist looking for a good moment to join your comrades in Abuja.
I am for what is best for Ndi Igbo and I am sure every Igbo does the same. The only difference could be on the means, the how we want to achieve that best. And I propose free speech, the only means of knowing what our people think. If you try to prevent people from expressing themselves, you automatically become a dictator and it is not good for Ndi Igbo/Biafra.
quote:Originally posted by Biafra Last month you went to great length to defend the current owambe jamboree by Obasanjo going on in Biafranigeria right now.
I challenge you to produce it here. If you can't produce it, then tell us what I said. There must be someone here who read the same thing as you. But if you fail to produce none of the above, then my considerations for you could be affected.
quote:Originally posted by Biafra Any true son of the soil of Igbo land knows quite well that Igbo Nation have always practiced democracy before Lugard his imperialists imposed one Nigeria on Igbo land. People like you come here try to pretend like some of us just woke up last night. For your information Igbo land have always practiced democracy, it is called Amala and Oha. Igbos have always had town unions and Age grade, through these organs laws were enacted.
Of course our ancestors have invented means of making decisions. But we, in 21st century, what have we to show? What have done to improve what our ancestors left for us? Or do you think that their system is perfect?
I think that we need to improve on those traditions left by our ancestors. In fact we should not reject what Oyibo does in its entirety. We would better select/choose what we like and reject what displeases us.
The decision-making body used by our ancestors is not democratic enough and it would be too dangerous to leave elders alone take decisions anywhere in ala Igbo/Biafra.
Democracy is by definition one person (18 or 20 years and above) one vote. Our ancestors' methods excluded young ones and women. It was no democracy. We can try to find something else which takes into account the views/opinions of everybody, but we can only achieve it through communication.
quote:Originally posted by Biafra We don't need fly by nights and Johnny come lately to come here and give us lecture about Biafra and what kind of Biafra we should aspire or fight for.
What you would have done was to agree or disagree with any previous issues. But you didn't. We better encourage more Igbos/Biafrans to express themselves on any issue instead of suppressing it. It is a very powerful weapon. It is better arming our people to protect themselves than to protect them ourselves because we might not be able to do so all the time. We better teach our people how to fish than giving the later fish. I personally ask you to do that for me.
As I have said earlier, the issue is not Biafra or no Biafra. It is about how many people want Biafra if we want to be democratic. If we want to impose Biafra on people, it becomes dictatorship. My question is: when and how are we going to poll the opinions of the Igbos/Biafrans on that issue. I know very well that you might not like the above, but that is my view. In fact I do not want to fight for Ndi Igbo/Biafra hiding. I want to do it in broad day light and before everybody. If majority of Igbo think otherwise, I will respect their decision. If you have any questions/remarks, I am at your disposition.
To recapitulate the above; we better use a method that is legal, verifiable, efficient to fight for our interests. Otherwise, we could all be waiting somewhere thinking that some people out there busy fighting for our interests while they are not doing anything.
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From what I gather, BIANU has registered a new domain name. See http://bianuonline.com .
I think that bianu.com should just be directed to to work with bianuonline.com when the latter is up and running.
Sylva:
I hope you know that the "BIANU" under discussion is an acronym for "Biafra National Union." Thus, I think it will be a little odd to use bianu.com for a website meant to function as an online Igbo Dictionary.
Besides, there is an Igbo Language project, including a dictionary project currently in progress at Igbo Net, all under the supervision of the director of the Igbo Language Center.
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quote:Originally posted by Damian: From what I gather, BIANU has registered a new domain name. See http://bianuonline.com .
I think that bianu.com should just be directed to to work with bianuonline.com when the latter is up and running.
Sylva:
I hope you know that the "BIANU" under discussion is an acronym for "Biafra National Union." Thus, I think it will be a little odd to use bianu.com for a website meant to function as an online Igbo Dictionary.
Besides, there is an Igbo Language project, including a dictionary project currently in progress at Igbo Net, all under the supervision of the director of the Igbo Language Center.
Damian,
Sorry for the late reply to ur post above. If you have followed the discussions above, you would have noticed that Bianu.com had been taken over by another organization due to negligence. At least that was the view expressed above. Now that the domain name has been recovered by industrous umu Igbo, you seem to tell us that the same Bianu.com managers have decided not to take Bianu.com domain name back but to buy another one and most likely to use it for the same purpose.
Thanks for the information that Bianu stands for Biafra National Union because I was not aware. But that information reinforces my belief that a change is needed in ala Igbo. We are not all stupid. The first question that could come to mind is "how many Biafrans are members of Bianu and of course the achievemnts. This is the case because the handling of the Bianu.com domain name gave an insight of what could be going one behind.
In fact I proposed the use of Bianu.com domain name for online Igbo dictionary becaause it was available, not used by Bianu. It was easier to use it than buying another one.
As concerns Igbo language project which included a dictionary, I would prefer having two Igbo online dictionaries than not having any. It would be dangerous to lie on our backs waiting for an Igbo organization to produce Igbo online dictionary when in fact we do not actually know what is going on. It could turn out to be like another Bianu.com management. A bird in hand is worth thousands flying away. A change is needed. Now!
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You need to zip up your mouth; you talk too much, and you want your blind followers to listen. How dare you!?
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You need to zip up your mouth; you talk too much, and you want your blind followers to listen. How dare you!?
Motina whatever, This is strictly Igbo affairs. You do not understand what it is about.
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A dictionary is enough since we have not uploaded much to search for with google.
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You see why I have a problem with your write-ups when they don't make sense, at all? Alas, what has your post got to do with the topic of this thread? The above suggests you may have gone back to your smoking days. Take it easy, my friend.
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That link could not provide the definition of even one Igbo word or translate an English word into Igbo. Why point bianu.com to a website that does not work?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dave, I'm sure when you went to www.igbodictionary.com you saw the word "BETA" there... So if you were not able to translate the word or words you wanted maybe check another time...
I'm the developer of www.igbodictionary.com and the goal of the site has not changed. For now I have other projects I'm working on that's why nothing has happened at the site... I'm not sure if you understand what is involved when making a translation software or application... First of all those words don't translate themselves out of no where...
in igbo land some english words are translated differently and some english words don't have igbo version .. That is why the work being done right now are mostly background work.
The site is a free site and will always be a free site so if you think you can help please feel free to contact me. Instead of complaining how about someone offer to help?... I hope I didn't offend anyone... Thanks
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Top props to you on the work you are doing nwanne. I completely agree with you when you say people shouldn’t be in such a hurry to criticize. Soldier on biko…I’ve got your back.
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quote:Originally posted by Mrs. Motina Ogallala: You see why I have a problem with your write-ups when they don't make sense, at all? Alas, what has your post got to do with the topic of this thread? The above suggests you may have gone back to your smoking days. Take it easy, my friend.
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Motina whatever,
It's very surprising that any proposal for the betterment of Ndigbo gives you sleepless nights. I hope umu Igbo have understood it and would make sure nobody is distracted.
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That link could not provide the definition of even one Igbo word or translate an English word into Igbo. Why point bianu.com to a website that does not work?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dave, I'm sure when you went to www.igbodictionary.com you saw the word "BETA" there... So if you were not able to translate the word or words you wanted maybe check another time...
I'm the developer of www.igbodictionary.com and the goal of the site has not changed. For now I have other projects I'm working on that's why nothing has happened at the site... I'm not sure if you understand what is involved when making a translation software or application... First of all those words don't translate themselves out of no where...
in igbo land some english words are translated differently and some english words don't have igbo version .. That is why the work being done right now are mostly background work.
The site is a free site and will always be a free site so if you think you can help please feel free to contact me. Instead of complaining how about someone offer to help?... I hope I didn't offend anyone... Thanks
It would have been better to work togther, communicate with one another before embarking on any project and of course if it is for Ndigbo. There is a saying that two heads are better than one. Could you give us more information on the www.Igbodictionary.com? We need to have proper discussion on the dictionary, not a translator and how the words are to be validated. Thanks for your efforts but we need to work together.
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Well I agree on the issue of working together...before I started this project I asked for some help in some of the yahoo igbo groups but not alot of people showed real interested in it...Like I said this is not just my project it's my way of giving to my people and anyone with something to offer can join the project team... I will be adding protected area at the site where those interested will be given access to read what is needed and see what they can do to help...
The site will be in two part one will be full igbo dictionary in igbo language then the other one will be translation of other languages to igbo or igbo to other languages... And yes i'm open to talking about this but I think it should be done in a secured way...
For someone to be part of the project team they will need to have something they bring to the table.. It could be programming skills, advice, help with igbo words, data entry you name it.
So if you have something you think might work here please feel free to say it...
Forming a group/board to oversea the project might be a good start... I can't do all the stuff by myself...
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quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: [QB] Well I agree on the issue of working together...before I started this project I asked for some help in some of the yahoo igbo groups but not alot of people showed real interested in it...
I hope you read what we have already proposed here which indicates that we show interest. Unfortunately you did not discover BNW earlier since you have just registered in July 2005.
quote:Like I said this is not just my project it's my way of giving to my people and anyone with something to offer can join the project team...
That is very good of you and hope that more Igbo/Biafrans add their support. But let me hint you on my views/suggestions:
1) there many projects being embarked on by umu Igbo or groups of umu Igbo. And we all thank them for that. Some of these projects have been started by one person or a few people without wider knowledge of majority of umu Igbo.
2) So while the above is going on, it would be good to have alongside a project or projects that involve(s) more of our people, where there is a sort of brainstorming on the project such as the finance, the what, the how, the when.
3) By the above, I am talking of transparency. Some Igbos will not be confortable working on projects where very little is known of who finances them. The financers could be foreigners or people who do not wish us any good.
4) As concerns the Igbo dictionary project, I can participate financially, no matter how little, I can propose Igbo words and their meanings (all in Igbo), i can input data onto the database and I can write programs.
5) The brainstorming would focus on how to validate Igbo words and their meanings before inroducing them onto the system.
6) Another issue is how to get more Igbos involved, at least expressing their views on all Igbo issues such as this one.
quote:I will be adding protected area at the site where those interested will be given access to read what is needed and see what they can do to help...
The site will be in two part one will be full igbo dictionary in igbo language then the other one will be translation of other languages to igbo or igbo to other languages... And yes i'm open to talking about this but I think it should be done in a secured way...
This is one of the points I raised above: we need to distinguish between private projects and Igbo projects. Private projects would better go on alongside Igbo projects.
Today, most of us will be unable to tell you the owner or who finances some of the websites/forums used by Ndi Igbo. Those forums permit us to communicate among us but they don't belong to Ndigbo. So, we need something more transparent, that umu Igbo can question and receive a response. This means that the igbo dictionary we are talking about will be an asset of Ndigbo, not something anybody can use without the proper authorizations.
7) I suggest that Igbo dictionary contains only Igbo language, nothing else.
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That link could not provide the definition of even one Igbo word or translate an English word into Igbo. Why point bianu.com to a website that does not work?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dave, I'm sure when you went to www.igbodictionary.comyou saw the word "BETA" there... So if you were not able to translate the word or words you wanted maybe check another time...
I'm the developer of www.igbodictionary.com and the goal of the site has not changed. For now I have other projects I'm working on that's why nothing has happened at the site... I'm not sure if you understand what is involved when making a translation software or application... First of all those words don't translate themselves out of no where...
in igbo land some english words are translated differently and some english words don't have igbo version .. That is why the work being done right now are mostly background work.
The site is a free site and will always be a free site so if you think you can help please feel free to contact me. Instead of complaining how about someone offer to help?... I hope I didn't offend anyone... Thanks
nwaizu_30:
Get off your high horse. I hope you are not suggesting that the acronym "BETA" indicates that the base product should be inoperable and non-functional as the igbodictionary.com site is. There are all sorts of BETA software out there and I use many of them, including Google's GMail. The standard practice in industry is that a product is not BETA-released until the public or the target industry is able to use it, even though there might be bugs and missing features in the product. I hope you don't think that Nd'Igbo should expect less just because you have attached "igbo" to the product in question. Using your standard for the meaning of the term "BETA," anyone could claim to be the developer of a BETA product even if there is no product at all or the product in question does not work as intended or at all as is the case with igbodictionary.com.
I congratulate you for your effort. But, as the site stands at this time, it does not deserve to have an Igbo/Biafran site diverted to it because it does not work even as a BETA product. But, please, continue to work at it. If it gets better, I will be here later to praise you for creating it.
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Dave I do not wish to go into defining what BETA is and what it's not with you so I'm gonna stop responding to your post unless you got something positive to say about this project... Thanks
Sylva, I agree with what you are saying I think you are I are on the same side right here...
when I said protected area I think I need to clear that a little more.. First of all organization is an important thing here... if we allow just about anyone to go and enter data at the backend of the site then we might have a big problem on our hands. Not everyone that say they are a programmer can program...And we need people who have some educational background in igbo language to help us here... not to say that you need a college degree to know igbo words but I"m just givin you an example why I said protected area...
As for the financial part, anyone that contribute to the project their name will be made available to the public... so there will be no secret donor here.
The ability to translate igbo language into other languages is a good thing...though that's the second stage of this project
Sylva if you would like to talk more about this you can provide me with a way to send you my phone number maybe you can give me a call some time ...Thanks
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quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: when I said protected area I think I need to clear that a little more.. First of all organization is an important thing here... if we allow just about anyone to go and enter data at the backend of the site then we might have a big problem on our hands. Not everyone that say they are a programmer can program...And we need people who have some educational background in igbo language to help us here... not to say that you need a college degree to know igbo words but I"m just givin you an example why I said protected area... {/quote]
nwaizu_30,
The question is not whether someone can programme or not or whether they have good knowledge of Igbo language or not. That was why I talked about validation of whatever we do.
The question is rather that you presented a domain name to us, we have not decided to buy one or what to do with it. You decided that it should be translation from English to Igbo. We do not know who paid for it and where it has been hosted. In the 21st century, it is almost unbelievable that someone would ask Ndigbo to contribute to such a project without asking questions, without being consulted in advance. We are not all stupid. And we have a lot of similar cases out there.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nwaizu_30: As for the financial part, anyone that contribute to the project their name will be made available to the public... so there will be no secret donor here.
The mode of payment is missing.
quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: The ability to translate igbo language into other languages is a good thing...though that's the second stage of this project
There are some websites out there where people could learn Igbo language, but here we are talking of an Igbo dictionary, a legacy for the future Igbo generations. All in Igbo language.
quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: Sylva if you would like to talk more about this you can provide me with a way to send you my phone number maybe you can give me a call some time.
That is a good idea. But as you have just registered, you might not be aware of PM possibilities here. It is not all: if two of us agree on any issue, we can't assume that umu Igbo would agree with us. So, democracy requires that we bring on more Igbos. We still have some jobs to do; we have to convince more Igbos to participate, convince them to look at Igbo issues our way, etc. But if we succeed in convincing them to air their views on Igbo issues, its already something.
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I have read what you said and I can tell you right now that I'm not asking anyone for money..
I did not present you with a site for sale it's not for sale so I'm not sure where you are getting that idea... here is where i stand and anyone that has a problem with it i can understand that.
The site will be there to provide service(s) to the world. That means Ndigbo and the rest of the world who love Ndigbo... I don't need to take a vote to work on this project and I don't care if anyone from this site wants to help or not I joined this message board cause I seen the post when I did a search on google...
when the site is fully working I"m sure alot of igbo people will find it useful and that's what matters to me right now... For someone to get involved in this project will be on invitation only. This will be my last post on this issue... I wish all of you well.
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quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: I have read what you said and I can tell you right now that I'm not asking anyone for money..
What are you asking for then? An Igbo dictionary on the internet would cost some money? If you do not want umu Igbo to participate and have a say in their affairs, then my fears are justified? For whom are you working? Who are you?
quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: I did not present you with a site for sale it's not for sale so I'm not sure where you are getting that idea... here is where i stand and anyone that has a problem with it i can understand that.
But here, we were discussing on how to use Bianu domain name or buy one for Igbo online dictionary. What is then your propositon? Do you expect that we abandon our discussions and allow ourselves to be bought by you? Since you have a domain name, you expected us to just follow whatever decisions you make. Is that how you see umu Igbo?
quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: The site will be there to provide service(s) to the world. That means Ndigbo and the rest of the world who love Ndigbo...
But we were discussing on how to provide services for umu Igbo.
quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: I don't need to take a vote to work on this project and I don't care if anyone from this site wants to help or not I joined this message board cause I seen the post when I did a search on google...
I don't like your arrogance. Are you going to call yourself Ndigbo? It is just like Orji Kalu, without any consultation, apologised to his masters and on behalf of umu Igbo for the Biafra/Nigeria war, where Ndigbo just defended themselves and their nation. Which google did you use to find this topic? And which language of interrogation?
quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: when the site is fully working I"m sure alot of igbo people will find it useful and that's what matters to me right now...
From what you have said so far, I don't think you work for Igbo interest.
quote:Originally posted by nwaizu_30: For someone to get involved in this project will be on invitation only. This will be my last post on this issue... I wish all of you well.
Hmmm! In that case it is no Igbo project, but private business of those who work against Igbo interest. As I have said earlier, we need an online Igbo dictionary, hosted in ala/ani Igbo, not in Oyibo land where it will be easily confiscated for any reason.
I am confident that umu Igbo will not be easily manipulated. I note that, as I am writing this, that you have only posted four times on this forum and all in this thread. It looks very suspicious.
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