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The white man caused us these problems by his military, Economic, psychological and theological conquest, and not by the list of silly and unrelevant reasons you have given Alchemist, except may be your last point;
quote: Lastly, when 30 million ibos allow fulani/hausa cattle-rearers to steal your natural ressources right off your land in broad daylight, that's the white man's fault?--Alchemist
as a matter of fact, yes it was the whitemans fault. He amalgamated the Igbos with the north, nothing join us before the coming of white man. Also they (oyibo) fought for and armed the awusa, when the Igbo attempted to fight for self determination, thus twarting the attempt in favour of the awusa protegees.
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quote:When you African guys sold your own people into slavery to white Europeans in exchange for mirrors, worthless pearls, alcohol and guns, that was the white man's fault?--Alchemist
quote:when you talk of hitler and the exterminations of the jews and the crimes of the nazis`s you will find that Hitler had willing helpers in all occupied territories who helped him to kill six million jews. You had the vichy in france, the quislings in scandinavia, etc. you even had jews working as capos in concentration camps killing their fellow jews. so what? when you read the history of the holocaust now is the blame for the massacre and genocide placed in the laps of those capos and colaborators. Have you ever read that the vichy or the kapos are responsible for the killing of jews? no it is hitler , his nazi party and the germans who are directly blamed for this. In the same vein I think it is only fair that the british carry the responsibility of the mess they made in nigeria. Who de cap fit let dem wear it sista abeg.-- Ochiwar to Lilith 12.03.05
quote: # When you ibos sent newly born infant twins into your so-called "evil forest" thereby again drawing the harsh wrath of the Creator unto yourselves, that was the white man's fault? # When you African guys primitively circumcise little girls with dirty pieces of rusted iron, cutting off their clitoris, thereby drawing the harsh wrath of the Creator unto yourselves, that's the white man's fault?
Your logic is again falacious and your reasoning faulty. Your argument is nothing but an appeal to emotion. If you argument had any basis of fact , then countries like the US, britain ,France, Germany , should have collapsed since by your "wrath of God" for their sins. How many slaves did they murder and mutilate? How many human fetus have they experimented on? how many human beings cloned? how many did the germans alone kill and experiment on in their concentration camps. Still they have no problem. Where is the wrath of god on them? Alchemist, you are lost as you have swallowed Whiteman propaganda hook, line and sinker.
quote:When you African guys worship demons and snakes, thereby drawing the harsh wrath of the Creator unto yourselves, that's the white man's fault?--Alchemist
again an appeal to emotion, not a factual argument. You alchemist a german should know that in germany for example majority of the people are atheist, they do not even believe in God, while many are satanic and demon worshipers. Where is the wrath of GOD? why are they not having the same problems as we? Alchemist you better go and look for a more practical reason for our problems than your "wrath of God". Note that I am not saying that oyibo is the sole reason of our problems. But he is at the root of it and one of the major factors to be considered in that respect.
quote: My stand is that any organization that defends Biafra/Igbo should allow every Biafran/Igbo in. - Sylva
No! What our people need to know is that it is one thing to bear tribal or ethnic identity with someone or group of people and something altogether different from having parity in ideology. The idea to let “every” Igbo in on an organization just for carrying that name is not only foolhardy, but ill conceived and too dangerous. I wouldn't join an organization that have; asika, iwuanyanwu, nzeribe, wabara, nnamani, umeh, uba and all the other numerous efulefus that roam free in Igboland. From this composition, one could easily see how this putative union would as fast as it was formed, degenerate into a source of pain for its members that have alternate philosophy from them and the entire Igbo. But once you share similar ideals with a group of people, the transaction or the business of the assembly in most cases are harmonious with minor disagreements here and there.
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quote:I wouldn't join an organization that have; asika, iwuanyanwu, nzeribe, wabara, nnamani, umeh, uba and all the other numerous efulefus that roam free in Igboland...-Mebiafran
A nigerian ibo dissing other nigerian ibos who have evidently achieved more in their lives than he. Thus it is with the ibos: fighting each other till death, and then turn around and shout "Give us Biafra! Give us Biafra!"
However, this is the reality: YOU AIN'T GETTING Sxxx!
What you will get and continue to get is screwed up, old, tattered, worn out, bleeding, stinking, dirty corrupt Nigeria.
is not a matter of dissing somebody, or been jealous of those who made money. The crust of Mebiafra's post is those Igbos who got where they are by soiling their hands with Igbo blood and sweat. So brother you support such a people in your own neck of the wood or Nigeria as a whole, then I am not sure you will deny been part of the problem.
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But Mebiafran IS dissing them in his post, irrespective of whether it is justified to so or not. The interesting thing here is "nigerian ibo dissing other nigerian ibos", and then both of them will turn around, and shout "We want Biafra! Give us Biafra!"
I am not part of the nigerian problem, and I do not support anybody in Nigeria, no matter which tribe they're from.
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Thanks Ochiwar for your intervention regarding Alchemist's ignorant utterances. We need more Igbos/Nigerians/Africans/Blacks to dare tell the truth in order to prevent Oyibo Brainwashing all the future black generations.
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quote:Originally posted by sis Aleukaemia: [*]When you African guys sold your own people into slavery to white Europeans in exchange for mirrors, worthless pearls, alcohol and guns, that was the white man's fault? [*]When you African guys committed cannibalism eating yourselves for dinner and thereby drawing the harsh wrath of the Creator unto yourselves, that was the white man's fault? [*]When you African guys worship demons and snakes, thereby drawing the harsh wrath of the Creator unto yourselves, that's the white man's fault? [*]When you ibos sent newly born infant twins into your so-called "evil forest" thereby again drawing the harsh wrath of the Creator unto yourselves, that was the white man's fault? [*]When you African guys primitively circumcise little girls with dirty pieces of rusted iron, cutting off their clitoris, thereby drawing the harsh wrath of the Creator unto yourselves, that's the white man's fault? [*]Lastly, when 30 million ibos allow fulani/hausa cattle-rearers to steal your natural ressources right off your land in broad daylight, that's the white man's fault? [/list] You need to seriously rethink and change your selfrighteous "black-is-good-white-is-evil" attitude! This mess you're in was caused by your very own selves. Quit playing Adam and Eve pointing guilty fingers at each other.
Firstly that great nation in the South Eastern Nigeria is called Igbo. There is nothing like Ibo. In okwu Igbo, we have g, gb, b, etc as alphabets and we don't replace gb by b or vice-versa.
As concerns your purported selling of Africans by Africans, let me tell you what happened.
When Oyibo arrived in Africa, Africans asked them whether they (oyibo) needed manpower for their (Oyibo's) underground railways, sky scrappers, Sugar plantations, etc. And when Oyibo answered yes, then Africans started to sell their children to Oyibo as you mentioned in one of your posts above. That was what our grand parents told us, history obtained through oral tradition, since they had no written record
There was a similar event that took place not long ago: Oyibo invaded to Iraq to disarm Sadam of its WMD. It was ordered by the UN since Sadam refused to comply wit the UN resolutions.
Oyibo's arms were so precise that no single Iraqi civilian was wounded. Immediately after the war and after destroyin the WMD, Oyibo coalition left Iraq leaving Iraqis oil untouched. This Iraqi history is what Oyibo would tell their children in the future. So, an African child sent to obodo Oyibo would learn that type of nonsense, just as you learnt about slave trade.
According to Napoleon, "History is lies agreed upon by a group of people". Group of people could be anything such as F2, L15. G8, etc.
Now you can sell your ignorance to anybody who wants to buy them.
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quote: My stand is that any organization that defends Biafra/Igbo should allow every Biafran/Igbo in. - Sylva
No! What our people need to know is that it is one thing to bear tribal or ethnic identity with someone or group of people and something altogether different from having parity in ideology. The idea to let “every” Igbo in on an organization just for carrying that name is not only foolhardy, but ill conceived and too dangerous. I wouldn't join an organization that have; asika, iwuanyanwu, nzeribe, wabara, nnamani, umeh, uba and all the other numerous efulefus that roam free in Igboland. From this composition, one could easily see how this putative union would as fast as it was formed, degenerate into a source of pain for its members that have alternate philosophy from them and the entire Igbo. But once you share similar ideals with a group of people, the transaction or the business of the assembly in most cases are harmonious with minor disagreements here and there.
MeBiafran,
I was not very sure whether you were talking seriously or joking. Then let me put my contribution in this way: if you were joking, then ignore the paragraph below else continue.
You have just named some people that you won't like to associate with, and if everybody does the same, then at the end of the day nobody would do anything.
Not long ago, I read an Igbo claiming that his e-mails had been blocked by the president of an Igbo association. Mind you that the issue was not the refusal of the said president to receive or read the guy's posts, but to prevent all the members of the association from receiving, thereby reading the guy's e-mails.
Normally other Igbos who read your above post would have disagreed with you even before I did, but they didn’t. It was not good enough.
We would better behave like most developed/democratic countries that simply follow the decision of majority. Otherwise we could try to get rid of somebody for: 1) Divergent views 2) Not liking his/her face 3) His/her look 4) Not knowing him/her 5) Etc.
Mind you that each time you got rid of somebody or exclude him/her, they would look for somewhere to fix themselves and most importantly obstructing your ways.
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Of course, your version of the story is that the black man was totally innocent and passive when the Atlantic Slave trade kicked off. In your version of the story, Africans are 100% innocent, and were completely victimized by the bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad europeans. In your version of the story, Africans gave the slave traders a hell of a good fight before millions of Africans were kidnapped from Africa and sold as slaves.
...and just where did you learn YOUR version of the story?
Dude, you as an African ain't got NO right to determine when and when not "g" or "gb" is appropriate, simply because this alphabet is not african! It is European. It does not belong to you! It's called LATIN ALPHABET! Latin, dude, latin! Not ibo alphabet! When it comes to this european alphabet, you need to remain silent! Therefore, will you please allow the owners to decide when these letters will be used and when not? Thank you!
Achja, what did you say YOUR genuine bona-fide authentic african ibo alphabet was? I didn't catch the name. Could you please repeat it? Thank you so much!
quote: Dude, you as an African ain't got NO right to determine when and when not "g" or "gb" is appropriate, simply because this alphabet is not african! It is European.--alchemist
quote:Therefore, will you please allow the owners to decide when these letters will be used and when not? Thank you!
Yes we will continue to use our alphabet as we see fit thank you alchemist.
And what of you german idiots? where do you get your ü,ö,ä from is that latin alphabet? did they not form it? why can the Igbo not do the same. Because of your usual double standards.
quote: Use in other languages
In the course of its history, the Latin alphabet was adapted for use for new languages, some of which had phonemes which were not used in languages previously written with this alphabet, and therefore diacritics and new letters were created as needed. the umlaut in ä ö ü in German and other languages (changes quality of the vowel). This mark was formerly written as a small e over the affected vowel. Modern German spelling accepts ae oe and ue as variants.
So onuku Alchemist what is allowed the germans is not allowed the IGBO abi? Iti boribo like you.
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quote:Of course, your version of the story is that the black man was totally innocent and passive when the Atlantic Slave trade kicked off. In your version of the story, Africans are 100% innocent, and were completely victimized by the bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad europeans. In your version of the story, Africans gave the slave traders a hell of a good fight before millions of Africans were kidnapped from Africa and sold as slaves.--Alchemist to Sylva
Alchemist, nobody in this world is 100% innocent, and nobody is claiming that. Fact is that there where and still are many Igbo efulefu who are being used by certain quarters to ensure continued suppresion of collective Igbo will and purpose. The where in the past drunkards , thieves and other unscrupulous elements who where elevated and armed by the colonialists and slave traders, to lord over us as warrant chiefs and the like. These collaborators may have done evil, but not more or less than the kapos of the concentration camps of you nazi germans. This does not touch the Generality of the brave Igbo people who never sold a brother into slavery. Infact I am told by my grandfathers that in my home town there was a commitee set up whose mission was to trace and buy back any of the towns indigenes who had been forcebly kidnapped by slave raiders? Let me ask you then, if the Igbo where selling all their kindred into slavery as you claim, then what was the need and purpose of continued slave raids into the Igbo hinterland by the slave traders and their gangs of outcasts?
And did the Igbo give the slave traders a good fight. HELL YEAH THEY DID! for real. Check just one small example The Igbo landing * 10 Ebo Landing (2.5 miles) The general area of Ebo Landing, now on private property, can be seen from a distance-when traveling east on Sea Island Road (toward the traffic light at Sea Island Road and Frederica Road) by looking north just before crossing the small bridge at Dunbar Creek.
(The term Igbo [pronounced ebo-the "g" is silent] refers to persons from the West African area historically known as Igboland [now Nigeria]. Although the European/American spelling-Ebo or Ibo-reflects the pronunciation, the preferred spelling among the Igbo is I-G-B-O.)
Nearly two centuries ago, a mass drowning of slaves occurred at a point called Ebo Landing, located along Dunbar Creek, a tributary of the Frederica River. It was here, in May of 1803, that a group of Igbo tribesmen, captured and destined for slavery, rebelled as their boat neared shore.
Led by an Igbo chieftain, the proud tribesmen resolutely marched into the waters of the creek, chanting an Igbo hymn and trusting in the protection of their God, Chukwu, rather than submit to slavery. Survivors were taken on to Cannon's Point Plantation on St. Simons and to Sapelo Island, where their story was recounted, becoming the basis for a well-known local legend about Igbo spirits still roaming the tranquil banks of Dunbar Creek. The ultimate sacrifice for freedom! Alchemist, for your own good never underestimate the will of the Igbo people.
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I'm totally convinced you are a madman. You need help.
It's a pity that it was all you have got to say about what you have read so far, otherwise called lack of arguments.
No, he's not mad, otherwise you would have read the word "crazy" in his username. It is time real Igbos/Africans/Blacks speak out against manipulation/evil of certain creatures.
Give your views on issues, no matter whose ox is gored. By so doing we protect black youths against manipulation as well as send a strong message to the manipulators that we understand all they do.
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Aivlys when you withhold the truth from "the black youths", and rather feed them with stupid lies, then you are harming them. Since you refuse to accept the truth that Africans sold Africans into the white man's slavery, you are living a lie, and are bound four perpetual eternal failure!
quote:Originally posted by Alchemist: Of course, your version of the story is that the black man was totally innocent and passive when the Atlantic Slave trade kicked off. In your version of the story, Africans are 100% innocent, and were completely victimized by the bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad europeans. In your version of the story, Africans gave the slave traders a hell of a good fight before millions of Africans were kidnapped from Africa and sold as slaves.
sis aleukaemia,
Maybe you can explain to us how Africans who received Oyibo in Africa started selling their children to Oyibo. Maybe you can tell us how Africans knew that Oyibo needed manpower to work on their underground railway stations, sky Scrappers, Sugar plantations, etc.
All those atrocities that happened in the past continue today, under other forms. Iraq is an exapmle.
Read another one below, written by an Oyibo:
quote:I'm an American tired of American lies The history taught in our schools is scandalous. We grew up believing that Columbus actually discovered America. We still celebrate Columbus Day. Columbus was after one thing only - gold. As the natives were showering him with gifts and kindness, he wrote in his diary, "They do not bear arms ... They have no iron ... With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want." Columbus is the perfect symbol of US foreign policy to this day…..Woody Harrelson http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,813189,00.html
quote:Originally posted by sis Aleukaemia:
... simply because this alphabet is not african! It is European.
Ochiwar has already dealt with your ignorance. But let me remind you that civilization started in Africa. You the Oyibo want to claim and steal everything: South African lands belong to you, Zimbabwean land is yours, if Mark Thatcher has suceeded in Equatorial Quinea he would have received another honour from the Queen, Iraqi oil is yours, otherwise you wouldn't have gone there to take it by force, Mahatma Ghandi decided not to wear clothes because you told him that clothes were yours and that he could not manuufacture his clothes himself, etc. Are you you thinking what I am thinking? All these could backslash.
quote:Originally posted by sis Aleukaemia: [*]When you African guys sold your own people into slavery to white Europeans in exchange for mirrors, worthless pearls, alcohol and guns, that was the white man's fault? [*]When you African guys committed cannibalism eating yourselves for dinner and thereby drawing the harsh wrath of the Creator unto yourselves, that was the white man's fault? [*]When you African guys worship demons and snakes, thereby drawing the harsh wrath of the Creator unto yourselves, that's the white man's fault?
If anybody or anything really reacts when humans commit atrocities, then Oyibo would have been removed from this planet a long long long time ago. Does anyone pretend not to know? Our relationship with Oyibo would better be strictly professional, after which everybody to their tents. Blacks are much safer when they keep oyibo at bay.
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Fear no even gree Alchemist reply to my points anymore based on hard knocks she has been receiving courtsey of me in an attempt to knock some sanity into her head. All she has left now is for her alter ego crazy duke to call me names . As for you crazy duke, na people like you where Fela call " animal in crazeman skin ", I dare say you have no single clue what we are talking about.
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aivlys this alphabet which you find printed on the keys of your keyboard is called LATIN ALPHABET. What part of "Latin Alphabet" is it that you do not understand?
Not to worry, I'll spell it out for you again:
1) Latin a European language; spoken by ancient Rome; the official language of the Holy See (Vatican City). Today, Latin is mainly only relevant in Roman Catholic liturgy
Africa is one dumb accursed dirty and evil continent.
It is dumb: Africa has the highest illiteracy rate in the world. It is accursed: God himself has cursed Africa and Africans, taken away their land and given it to non-african foreigners: the Caucasians. The curse came about due to Africa-widespread demon-worship, killing of twins at birth and cannibalism. It is dirty: Clickhere! It is evil: Mobutu, Idi Amin, Abacha, Ojukwu, Nzeogwu, Oplaplanjo, Omar alBashir, Said Barre, Paul Biya, Jean-Bedel Bokassa, Samuel Doe, Gnassingbe Eyadema, Hissene Habre, Haile Mengistu (just to mention a few) etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
quote: I am not part of the nigerian problem, and I do not support anybody in Nigeria, no matter which tribe they're from.--Alchemist
In that case why not leave us alone on this forum with your trash, if you are not part of the problem you will not be part of the solution.
quote: Africa is one dumb accursed dirty and evil continent--Alchemist
so now its not Igbo or Nigeria but AFRICA? Now you are exposing your racist mentality to the full you german nazi swine. I have figured out what your problem is though. Correct me where I go wrong...You are one of those unfortunate european half breed. Your mother was jilted by your Black African father ( probably Igbo) and you have been suffering from the rejection syndrome ever since. You are suffering from identity crises and inferiority complex as a result of growing up as a fatherless halfcaste in racist germany, not being accepted as a white and not being accepted as a black, not fitting in on any level, it must be terrible for you. Your hatred for the black father you never knew has resulted in transfered agression on anything black ( especialy Igbo ) which leads to your vomit of BS on this forum. Let me tell you Alchemist, as a halfcaste, you will never be accepted by the germans, so all your halla on this site will not convince them. Better go and look for your roots alchemist and come to terms with them before you do yourself harm, and lest your psycological situation should become so unstable as to be irreversible.
But let me ask you still... since you are obviously so german, what do you think makes you qualified to post on a Biafra-Nigerian website? What do you know about Biafra-Nigeria? You know that African history is not thought in your german schools. Should you not rather be on the german-nazi website? Please go there to dump your gibberish with your racist colleagues. ( Although if the real nazis should catch you they will send you to the gas chamber for being racialy impure as a halfcaste so do be carefull)
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quote: I was not very sure whether you were talking seriously or joking. Then let me put my contribution in this way: if you were joking, then ignore the paragraph below else continue.
You have just named some people that you won't like to associate with, and if everybody does the same, then at the end of the day nobody would do anything.
Sometimes we use SACARSM to make little or no point my dear. No!! My question and or comment were not meant for parody or to amuse you. What sense is there for someone who believes in FREEDOM of CHOICE to join the opposing group (RIGHT to LIFE)? To have an efficacious organization, the ideal behind its formation should, to say the least, be appealing to its members. Like minds, get it? Any disagreement that might ensue down the line will pale in comparison to what could be if people that are violently and innately opposed to the goals of that assembly are allowed to be part of it. No questions about this. This is particularly why membership in exclusive Golf Clubs is severely screened to simultaneously filter out people who do not share the same joy from the game and could not afford its rigorous financial membership. I hope enough has be given to tinker with for now?
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