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Wacko, Yes Terrorist beacause it seems like some people`s hobby here is to make a brother look like a terrorist.
So what else is new. Where is Rex with his bogus claims? Did I jump in and support his bogus claims of donating web site, when he cannot come out to defend them himself?
Where is Massob with his blatant lies against me? Why do you jump in and support his lies when he has not been able to defend them himself? And you want me to spend my ammunition on you??
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It is not all inane rambling that should be given a response. Here is part of what I wrote earlier:
quote:The typical Nigerian that you are, you even threatened to cheat at Wikipedia by exploiting the open nature of Wikipedia's software and altering what others wrote, instead of just appending your own contributions so people could compare and judge for themselves.
In the middle of highly contentious discussions about a man who elaborately defrauded his readers, only an irresponsible and irrational participant in the discussions would further murky-up the environment by writing to elicit the following at an important site related to the debates:
Is there anyone who cannot see that Ochiwar threatened to edit what someone else wrote about Emeagwali, and Markel's response was response to that threat? No matter what Wikipedia's editing process is, I continue to maintain that Mr. Ochiwar should have simply added his own version instead of threatening to edit what others wrote. It matters little to me whether you carried out your threat or not, or that the archives preserve earlier versions. Every Igbo person should know when to do the right thing even if the process would permit the mutilation of other people's writing.
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quote:I challenge you to show me where Rex was insultive on this his first post on this thread which prompted my above response.
Wacko has generously addressed that issue, and your demand, though irrational, has been addressed. But, you first have to actually read and understand what Wacko wrote. In any case, there is more.
Days after Rex wrote the following garbage, Ochiwar did not bother to rebuke his comrade Rex. Ochiwar was more interested in blocking any retaliations that Rex's rudeness would attract upon him.
quote:++++++ The Words of Ochiwar's comrade, Rex ++++++
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Go do some 419 and come back to this Board. Your type is the reason why Africa will remain a DUMP. All the time and work done by your ashawo sister to try and discredit Phillip could be used to figure out why your tribe has become a SLAVE TRIBE in Nigeria. IGBO MAN, grow the fu*ck up. Rex
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THIS, IS the argument of an educated man? Don,t leave your 419 day job, not yet. Phillip is a RECOGNIZED SCIENTIST, You are a recognized DUMBASS LOSER! Have a nice day Rex
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Biafra my ass if you cannot promote the ingredients that will CONTRIBUTE to the realization of your dream. I have made my contribution, I DONATED this Domain without asking for a Penny. DO SOMETHING, DO NOT LIVE by other people. Get off your cynical asses and stop reasoning like cave men. Enough of the "******" [n-i-gger] mentality. Good bye. Rex
According to Ochiwar's reasoning, it is my job to distinguish between Ochiwar's open support for Rex's unwarranted tirade and insults of August 17 and Ochiwars ill-advised acquiescence in Rex's filthy posts made between August 17 and August 20. NO CIGAR!
Vitalis:
Thanks for your post. It is good to know that Emeagwali's claims that he owns patents and pending patents are fraudulent, even if he has not been arrested. It took the FBI decades to arrest John Gotti and other organized crime bosses. For various reasons, some criminals are never arrested even though their crimes are well known.
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quote: What do you mean that because it was Wacko and not Massob who responded to your challenge you would not respond.
That is exactly what i mean. This person called Massob published a lot of blatant lies about me in his post. i have debunked these lies to clear my good name, and I am waiting for Massob to substantiate his claims, or apologise to me for making a mistake or he will be branded a Liar.
So for now I see wacko`s attempt to be a spokesman for MASSOB to be a mere distraction. Let MASSOB speak for himself if he has something to say.
quote: You should consider that many people noted these insults in Rex's post.
What insults? According to Wacko these are the insults;
quote: whom I think are on a personal agenda. .
What is the insult there abeg? His opinion is they are on personal agenda. Dat one don become insult?
quote: If you actually have a clue as to what the internet is,
This is in the third person and does not refer to anybody in particular. Are you saying that "YOU" inn that sentence stands for "wacko" for it to be an insult to him?
quote: For now, you are ahead in the game, and should not even dignify the existence of these prostitutes of hate and jealousy ,
Did you read Rex full post in context? This time Rex is addressing himself to Philip emeagwali ...HMMM... again does "these prostitutes of hate and jealousy" here refer to anybody in particular to make it an insult? Well Victor I can see you have only 14 posts on this forum, so take my advice; If you are so sensitive and you feel that the above are insults worth quoting as insults, then you are still in for a surprise or two on this forum... This forum might be a little too open and direct for your taste...
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Greg, I hear your sound advice. But Emeagwali is not the issue here now. The issue is that Massob wrote a lot of lies about me which he cannot defend. I want to clear my name from those lies. But people want to come here and defend what even the originator of the lies cannot defend.
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Massob, You are a fraud and a Liar. The quote from wicki which you ascribe to Ochiwar is actually writen, signed and dated by Rober Merckle the wicki editor as anybody who has bothered to click on your link has seen. this is the full quote with signature
quote: I'll make the changes, then (or you can yourself, if you want - the Wikipedia editing process is open). One minor clarification - the first one is not a "post graduate degree", but the others seem to be - though a "Post-master's degree" is rather vague. A point to consider, though; having university degrees, even multiple ones, does not make one notable. Some evidence of notable achievements would be a far more interesting addition to the article than the details of his university education. --Robert Merkel 13:34, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
this is where the wicki editor robert Merckle agreed with me that I am right with my points and that he will make the changes. this was my reply to him
quote: I would preffer if you can do the editing yourself if you feel it makes sense. You know best how the structure and gramar should be.
which goes to show that I never edited a thing there, it was Robert Merckle who did any editing to be done.
Massob, You saw something writen and signed by Robert Merckle and you posted it here and fraudulently signed it Ochiwar. And you sit where you are and point finger calling other people fraud? Is Emeagwali not better than you?
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I have edited my post to show that you were willing to edit other people's writing just to support your delusions about Emeagwali. Did you expect Robert Merkel to enter into a war with a shameless handle like you?
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quote:Originally posted by Ochiwar: Greg, I hear your sound advice. But Emeagwali is not the issue here now. The issue is that Massob wrote a lot of lies about me which he cannot defend. I want to clear my name from those lies. But people want to come here and defend what even the originator of the lies cannot defend.
Ochiwar:
I beg to disagree. The title of this thread is very straightforward. It is "Philip Emeagwali Attacks Chioma Ezeilo @ Wikipedia." If you no longer have anything meaningful to contribute to this thread, you should open another thread or move on to another thread and stop acting like a spoiled brat.
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I too thought that everyone of Rex1284's posts on this board were insulting to every reasonable member of this board. It is difficult to speak for the others.
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Brother, I am not trying to restrict anyone's opinion nor am I agreeing with any particular side in this fight, but it is somewhat incongruous and quite disconcerting to see someone with the handle "MASSOB" write negatively about a professed Biafran. If you had a different handle I would not be writing to you now. I know it's just the handle you chose, but for many Biafrans that name is almost sacred, which gives you an unfair advantage over Ochiwar who cannot parody your handle as you have done to his. Excuse my intrusion.
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As you can see, Ochiwar has not allowed my handle to get in the way of his barrage of whiny girly insults. Indeed, he was willing to single me out to the extent of waving away other opponents of his in this discussion so he could turn this into an anti-MASSOB topic. No pun intended. Posts: 43 | Registered: Mar 2001
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Yes MASSOb I singled you out because you are the only pathological Liar here.
quote: I have edited my post -MASSOB
So you have now confessed that what you wrote about me are baseless lies. You have lost all moral justification to call anybody a fraud because you are also one. Leave that to others.
Enigma
quote:If you no longer have anything meaningful to contribute to this thread, you should open another thread or move on to another thread and stop acting like a spoiled brat.--Enigma
Where were you when Massob published his lies about me on this thread? Why were you quiet. So you are now telling me that I have no right to clear my name and expose Massob as a liar on the same thread he published his lies against me? I have to open another thread for that? come off it and get real.
This so called Massob is a lying something who claimed i edited Emeagwalis profile in Wicki which I prooved to be a lie. He then went to forge something I never wrote and signed it with my name and you are critisiting ME? You want me to keep quiet. You are not serious.
Massob is one million times worse than Emeagwali because he is not lying to embelish his resume, but to deviously hurt and teard down his brother, and you are supporting him?
It seems strange that those who go on about how terrible it is for Emeagwali to lie are now out to defend and protect MASSOB in his litany of lies agains me even when it is obvious that MASSOB is supporting his lies with forgeries. This Massob quoted a complete stranger here and then forged my signature and signed it with my name. That is forgery. And you are telling me I dont have a point to make? I beg to disagree with you.
quote: I too thought that everyone of Rex1284's posts on this board were insulting to every reasonable member
Please do not go missing the point. The issue here is not "everyone of Rex Post" but a very particular one, his first post on this thread. I did not find that post to be insultive to anyone in particular and certainly not if judged by the past level of insult on this forum, and so I responded to it as is my right and as is the purpose of this forum. Then Massob comes up with his lies and tries to convince you that with my response to Rex first post I have made myself guilty of supporting all and any rubbish he might have writen after that. That is a lie. Then Wacko jumps in as MASSOB`s spokesman even though I had made it known that MASSOB was lying and I had challenged Massob openly to substantiate his claims.
I still mentain that I had every right to reply REx first post without undue , twisted and baseless criticism from Massob. But in the even of such critique I have every right to counter them and set the record straight. I am making use of that perogative. After all I was not the only one here to reply to Rex first post, and not one of the members of this forum who replied to Rex first post complained at the time or even hinted that the post is insultive.
Whatever Rex wrote after his first post is a diffrent kettle of fish because I never wrote in support of any of that. This thread consists of so many pages so for you orientation This is Rex first post we are talking about.. Read it and tell me if it was wrong of me to reply to that post.
quote:In the middle of highly contentious discussions about a man who elaborately defrauded his readers, only an irresponsible and irrational participant in the discussions would further murky-up the environment by writing to elicit the following at an important site related to the debates:
quote:I'll make the changes, then (or you can yourself, if you want - the Wikipedia editing process is open). --- Merkel responding to Ochiwar.
Is there anyone who cannot see that Ochiwar threatened to edit what someone else wrote about Emeagwali, and Markel's response was response to that threat? No matter what Wikipedia's editing process is, I continue to maintain that Mr. Ochiwar should have simply added his own version instead of threatening to edit what others wrote. It matters little to me whether you carried out your threat or not, or that the archives preserve earlier versions.--Massob
Man you are realy becoming crude in an attempt to cover up your lies. "Is there anyone who cannot see that Ochiwar threatened to edit what someone else wrote about Emeagwali". Lol your kidding right? so my offence has now been downgraded to "threatening to edit" what someone else wrote about Emeagwali. Few scrolls ago you were singing another tune
quote:The typical Nigerian that you are, you even threatened to cheat at Wikipedia by exploiting the open nature of Wikipedia's software and altering what others wrote, instead of just appending your own contributions so people could compare and judge for themselves. --Massob
So now its down to only "threatened to edit"? Thats much better dude, you are now having to re-swallow all your lies and edit all your posts in an attempt to delete your fraudulent claims. Whats more readers are beginning to catch the drift of your lies. The more you edit, the more we see. well let me ask you this; do you think it is reasonable to leave what someone else wrote about Emeagwali intact when it is demonstrably false. I noticed some mistakes, ommissions and false hood in the wicki article on emeagweali and I reported these observations to the editor of the site robert Merckle, who after doing the required research to confirm the accuracy of my points, now made the corrections in the article. where exactly is your problem with that? Are you OK? So you have still not been able to figure out the purpose and modus operandi @ Wicki? A reasonable critique from you would be; you where wrong Ochiwar in the following points... you made at wicki because... And not ; you were wrong Ochiwar to correct (through the official editor)mistakes in an article at wicki...
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Ochiwar , I think you are getting yourself worked up and in so doing you are digging your self deeper into a hole.
I will try and break it down for you. There was a debate going on and instead of dealing with the issues raised by others, you went personal. First you came out with your crab analogy, insinuating that people are taking a position on Emeagwali out of envy. This was when you could not disprove any thing that Chioma Ezeilo had written. Your brother Rex wrote similiar things to which you chipped in your support and made reference to the crab thing again.
I was not in any debating society, but the object of debate is to "demolish" the points raised by the opposition, not to allude to any uterior motives which is what you and Rex did. I am sure that you are aware of this hence your huffing and puffing when I made my own comments which was in a form of a question , Ochiwar. Go back and read it, it has the question mark and all.
BTW: your attempt at a rebuttal is pathetic, that he used "you" instead of Wacko does not mean that I don't have right to feel offended. You actually got yourself in a bind when you jumped in to defend Rex without reading or understanding what he wrote.
On second thoughts, I don't believe that someone can be that stupid not to see that those were insults. Several posts after the offensive bits were pointed out to you, you are still insisting that there were not offensive. I think you are just being dishonest.
I think lessons you should learn from this debate should include the proverbial look before you leap. You came out in support of another fraud Rex while the debate about the initial fraud Emeagwali had not been concluded. Now what are people going to make of you?
Secondly, make only bold statements when you are absolutely certain of the answers. You challenged Massob to provide the offensive bits of Rex's post, I pointed out several, Massob did the same and you were left with egg on your face. Chioma Ezeilo made similiar statements almost a year ago, yet no one has been able to demolish the crux of her argument.
quote: This was when you could not disprove any thing that Chioma Ezeilo had written.
What exactly has chioma Ezeilo writen that neeeds to be disproved? Is it Emeagwalis claim "some people have described me as a father of the internet?" Or is it Emeagwalis claim that " some peolple have described me as the Bill Gates of Africa?" Or is it emeagwalis claim that " The gordon Bell Prize has been described as the Nobel Prize of supercomputing"??? These are what Chiomas article are all about. What exactly do you think needs to be disproved there?
quote: Chioma Ezeilo made similiar statements almost a year ago, yet no one has been able to demolish the crux of her argument.
What exactly is the crux of Chioma Ezeilo`s argument appart from sentiment?
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Appart from the above sentiments could this be the crux of chiomas argument that you see?
quote: Emeagwali claimed 30 patents ;
Chioma Ezeilo says Emeagwali has none . --Wacko
Well in that case we are geting into detail and it simplifies the equation. Because you and Chioma have failed to ever show us where Emeagwali claimed 30 patents. It is not too late. Please show us now where emeagwali claimed to have 30 patents. iF he ever did so in the past I certainly not find where emeagwali make such a claim now. Could it be that Emeagwali has corrected himself? Failure to be able to do so will bring us back to the black crab-red crab anology that annoys you so much. the black crab anology is not meant personal but generall for all of us to get us to think. Even rapists and manslaughterers are elegible to parole and freedom after siting off their terms. Why should our brother emeagwali continue to be punished and acused of things that have become unfactual, irrelevant and overtaken by time for the rest of his life. The purpose of critique, argument, discussion and debate is to correct or change or influence. Chiomas article has done all that. it has done its work Because emeagwali has corrected himself as a result of it. So when will emeagwali get parole? has that article not fulfilled its purpose and is now outliving its usefulness? If emeagwali has corrected himself and we continue to punish him indefinitely, and when we categorise him with people like Fred Ajudua then we are getting to the black crab thing.
That appart from any distractions that may have occured is my position and my message on this thread and it is the reason for seemingly Pro-Emeagwali stand. In actual fact it is not Emeagwali the person i am arguing for, but the Ideal.
our brother made a mistake, our sister pointed it out to him, our brother corrected himself and wore new linen. Must our sister continue to wash the old dirty linen in public? That Wacko is the crux of my own argument against chiomas article and the explanation of the black crab anology.
Now that we have gone back to the crux of the matter, I should point our that now being at BNW when Chioma first published her article, I understand where you are coming from. You are unaware is that all the claims Chioma Ezeilo accused Emeagwali of making were in his personal website before Ezeilo's article was published.
Emeagwali has since edited out those claims. So to those who had not visited Emeagwali's site before Chioma's expose' it seems that Emeagwali could not be guilty of what had been atributed to him.
You see Emeagwali decieved many people.Many of the so-called Emeagwali "bashers" were people who had believed in him. Heck, Emeagwali was even touted as one of the possible leaders of the new Biafra. That was the extent of his fraudulent activities.
That he is one of us does not mean that we should lower our standards in assessing excellence, intergrity and sincerity. We should even hold our people to higher standards. That is what Nd'Igbo are noted for, hence such statements as "ona eme ka ndi....(take your pick). You see while it my be acceptable for some communities to falsify the "achievements" of their people, it is not acceptable to Nd'Igbo.
You might obverse that most people defending Emeagwali on this board are people who were not here when the Chioma's article was published. At that time, the case she made was slam dunk.! That was because you could read a paragraph of her article and go to Emeagwali's site and see what she was referring to.
I saw your entry in the Wicki article. Perhaps you missed it, but one of the things that were written there was that when Robert wrote his original article/report, most of the sites promoting Emeagwali were owned/registered to Donita Brown whom we all know to be Emeagwali's wife.
BTW; What do you make of the attempt of the anonymous poster to blacken Chioma Ezeilo's name. I mean the bit where he word to the effects that Nigerian newspapers have found out that Chioma Ezeilo was someone responsible for the death of "8 African villagers".
Be careful if you are debating on the same side with people who come up with such rubbish.
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I understand the crux of your argument, but looking from Chioma's point of view (I hope I does not get me into trouble like the time I responded for Massob)what I suspect was Chioma was warning us against individuals who ride on the pro-Biafran struggle for their personal gain.
I believe she did write on a certain Biafran house which is non existent. Even Ojukwu and Uwazurike were taken in by some fraudsters. Its reverberations was felt in great lenghts on this forum.
She equally wrote an article on those who held "Ojukwu" hostage and prevented the man from getting good advice. The effect of Ojukwu's parley with those individuals resulted in the fracture of APGA and the present farce occuring in Anambra state today.
The sister IMO did not have it in for Phillip. She was simply warning us to beware of the likes of Phillip.
What MASSOB wrote about you is completely accurate. I followed the site and I agree entirely with MASSOB. And now, you have found yourself denying almost everything that Emeagwali told the world made him great. Thus, you have also vindicated Chioma Ezeilo because now, according to you, Emeagwali has not made any worthwhile claims. Emeagwali abndoned all of his claims, edited his website to remove most of his lies. So, what is it that you are defending that 419 for?
You really have got to start understanding what you read. This is EXACTLY what MASSOB originally wrote about you?
quote:The typical Nigerian that you are, you even threatened to cheat at Wikipedia by exploiting the open nature of Wikipedia's software and altering what others wrote, instead of just appending your own contributions so people could compare and judge for themselves.
The word "threatened" was there from the very beginning. Of course, in your usual blind rage, you missed it. MASSOB wrote that you threatened to edit Emeagwali's profile. You have not proved that to be incorrect. Please, stop trying to tamper with data at Wikipedia. Did you notice the word "trying?"
So, your statement below is absolutely pointless.
quote:This so called Massob is a lying something who claimed i edited Emeagwalis profile in Wicki which I prooved to be a lie. He then went to forge something I never wrote and signed it with my name and you are critisiting ME? You want me to keep quiet. You are not serious.
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Lol your kidding right? so my offence has now been downgraded to "threatening to edit" what someone else wrote about Emeagwali. Few scrolls ago you were singing another tune
You have proved nothing. All you have shown is that you did not understand what you read. I think that was previously identified as the main difficulty that you show yourself to have on this board.
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What you should know is that Ochiwar is a full supporter of the 8-villagers nonsense. He has been called on it several times and his dodgy mein evaded it. Another thing that people should realize is that most of the insult and lies Rex wrote on this board, Rex learned from Ochiwar. It was Ochiwar who began to tell lies about Chioma Ezeilo, deliberately misquoting her article, calling her names, and telling all sorts of stupid lies on this board, including that Ezeilo was the one that exposed Emeagwali's expulsion from Michigan. Rex who has been a member of this forum for three-years quickly found an ally and began spraeding insults because he saw Ochiwar doing it.
In effect, it was Ochiwar that decided to use lies as a tool in his arguments. Some people seem to think that Ochiwar just doesn't understand what he reads. I have some doubts about that. Whatever the case may be, the lies backfired on Ochiwar and drove him to an insane rage when MASSOB showed that Ochiwar is guilty of something called "fraudulent ignorance."
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Ochiwar, I am pasting this entire interview where Emeagwali is discussing his 41 patents. I am doing this so that in future someone can still access it. You never know, tomorrow it might be removed and then we start arguing on whether he ever claimed 41 patents or not.
quote: Search Inventors Interview with Philip Emeagwali
Part 2: Winning the Gorden Bell Prize for Supercomputers
Click on photograph for larger photo - 65536-processor Connection Machine.
More of This Feature • Part 1: Early Life of Philip Emeagwali • Part 2: Winning the Gordon Bell Award
Related Resources • Seymour Cray and the Cray Supercomputer • Black Inventors A to Z • History of Computers
Interview By Mary Bellis - Interview Begins Here In 1989, you won the coveted Gordon Bell Prize for your work with massively parallel computers. You programmed the Connection Machine to compute a world record 3.1 billion calculations per second using 65,536 processors to simulate oil reservoirs. This was done over the Internet. I was wondering how you choose or found the 65,536 computers to help you?
Philip Emeagwali - The 65,536 processors were inside the Connection Machine. I accessed the Connection Machine over the Internet. The Connection Machines owned by the United States government laboratories were made available to me because they were considered impossible to program and there was no great demand for them at that time. In fact, the national laboratories that purchased them were embarrassed because their scientists could not program them and they were hardly being used. The labs were happy that I was brave enough to attempt to program it and the $5 million computer was left entirely to my use. I was their human guinea pig.
Can you describe the Connection Machine and explain how it all worked?
Philip Emeagwali - The Connection Machine was the most powerful supercomputer in the world. It is a complex supercomputer and it will take forever to completely describe how it works.
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