Who the hell are you??? What are you talking about??What did you tell me and what crime are you talking about?? Do i know You from any where?? Since i registered, i haven't posted any article yet, if not a thank-you note that i sent to my brothers and Sisters here to thank them for having me. Why are you attacking me for nothing. Please don't start a war you can't finish
___________________ imagination is better than knowledge Posts: 30 | From: Toronto-Canada | Registered: Oct 2005
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Sophist! You are eighter dead or too scared to face the music.I presume that the sudden desuetude of your unsolicited kamikaze attack was evidence of your chicken-out. Next time please don't try to pull the Tiger by the tail-Igweka Umubueze di-egwu. "Ife Dike neme diya n'obi"
___________________ imagination is better than knowledge Posts: 30 | From: Toronto-Canada | Registered: Oct 2005
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Ndibeanyi, I can confirm that Adaora has indeed written in Awka phonetics in her brief attempt at writing Igbo. Please try and be a little bit more consistent with the spelling of IGBO. Biko odi mkpa!
My village is quite close to yours.
___________________ Biafra Shall Conquer- Posts: 232 | From: Sydney, Australia | Registered: Mar 2001
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Big dummies like you will never grow up. In what way did I attack you other than give you a piece of advice on how to deal with situations here in this fora? I was only trying to be fair by giving you a hint, and I thought you would listen. But dummies like you will never learn.
By the way, when did I accuse you of engaging in criminal activities, or did I tell forumites that you are a quiet man with a criminal record primarily of drug offenses and rape? I was only suggesting you watch your behavior based on too many watch dogs in this forum. Now that you have taken your madness and stupidity to another level--and attacking me for no apparent reason-- I'm gonna be watching you like a hawk. Done deal, right?
___________________ "I know a lot of people think I'm dumb. Well, at least I ain't no educated fool"
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quote: Please try and be a little bit more consistent with the spelling of IGBO. Biko odi mkpa!
Nsugbu a aduro nwanna, a nu go m alo 'u (as in advice)...O kwa a shi go mu na anyi (refering most specially to me) ga na gbali with spelling Igbo....
quote: My village is quite close to yours.
But i havent told you my village in Awka..... Osetutu, i hope you are not refering to Awka (Anambra state capital) as a village? That will indeed show what you know.
So where are you from?
A.
p.s. On second thoughts with its retarded development (thanks to poor governance), Awka is really nothing but a large rowdy village, with very bad roads (or attempts at roads)...sad indeed..
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I have to confer with that discription of Awka, it is indeed a dump to behold...meanwhile the state is being held hostage by illiterate gangsters with ill gotten wealth. As the biblical adage says: 'The love of money is the root of ALL evil' unfortunately, this is and has always been the problem with people from Onitsha/Anambra area. Their inordinate love of money have made them an object of perpetual ridicule in the eyes of other Igbos, Nigerians, and indeed other Africans that have the displeasure of meeting them.
___________________ Who said Biggie Smalls is dead? Posts: 16 | From: Lagos, Nigeria | Registered: Sep 2005
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Please keep quite and try to say something intelligent instead of shooting off at the mouth like an anambra state/onitsha trader!! This topic is about the deep clevages in Igboland and its attendant effects on the elusive Igbo unity. I am not an object of ridicule because i have managed to attract several people to this topic who, for whatever reason, have provided 3 pages of responses. i stand by my earlier assertion; Anambra state people are a joke...there appear to me to be people who have very low self esteem. They are always taking idiotic titles to boost up their egos, are typically loud/gaudy/obnoxious/arrogant and only see value and worth in the acquistion of money. These are the attributes a dishonorable people who are shallow and fickle, as indeed most Imo/Abia people regard those from the Anambra area. Many of them have abandoned education for the lustful pursuit of money, and as a result they have people who are wealthy but who lack the ettiqute, decorum, sophistication, finness, or culture that is demanded in todays world. They are just plain crass!!!
___________________ Who said Biggie Smalls is dead? Posts: 16 | From: Lagos, Nigeria | Registered: Sep 2005
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quote: I am not an object of ridicule because i have managed to attract several people to this topic who, for whatever reason, have provided 3 pages of responses--Mike Ellis
Is that right? 60% of this tread has been about Adaora incase you didint notice you and your topic failed to feature in the whole of page 2 . and the rest?
quote:Could you sir, please take your yoroba spin to your egbowu or whatever forum to spill your lies?-MeBiafran October 07, 2005 10:03 PM
quote: Let night be shed on this foolishness. -IgboBlood 07, 2005 11:44 PM
quote:Is this filt your figement of your imagination or are you for real? Get your facts straight...So Mr Ellis do you home work and research well. --Biafra October 08, 2005 12:08 AM
quote:Who this Ellis sef, please carry your junk and go somewhere else.--ODILI October 08, 2005 10:10 AM
quote:And yet another tentacle of the dis-information octopus launched from the enemies of the Biafran Movement. Their timing is rehearsed, their delivery amateurish, their pretense comical. -GREG October 09, 2005 05:43 AM
quote: No such thing exists: it must be your imagination.--Odogwu October 09, 2005 04:58 PM
quote: You either give us some incidents to back up your claim or shut your goddamned Yoruba mouth. And I mean that from my black heart. --Waipoint1Biafra October 11, 2005 08:40 PM
quote: Mike Ellis is non other than Dr Aluko Kapish BIAFRA November 03, 2005 12:48 AM
I have tried to reply to you intelligently and maturedly in my lenghty earlier post HERE an approach which you where apparently unable to comprehend and obviously unable to reply to. So now all I do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show as you continue to ridicule yourself.
BTW how many of the "inordinate lovers of money" in the world bank list posted by EDNUT are Igbo? How many are from Anambra?
___________________ Biafra is inevitable.Illegitimis nil carborundum. Posts: 760 | From: europe | Registered: Jan 2005
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Thanks for your comments, Adora. For the rule of Survival here, i'm fine, i can survive anywhere and i don't need to "pick a war"with anyone, and definitely not with Mr. Puke, sorry Duke, Crazy Duke.
AdorA! Adora! Can i say something? Please don't be offended.I want to probate the name "Adora"
Where i come from, the word"Ada" means-First daughter-girl. We have- Ada-Nna-meaning, the first daughter/of her father. Ada-Nne'means first daughter of her mother etc. Nne-mother and Nna-Father. Then we have Ada-Ora. Ada(first daughter of- Ora(people/public).Thus Adaora, means first daughter of the People.
I don't want to sound presumptuous or even judgemental but from my analytical explaination above, i figure you're a Lady, a very beautiful one for that matter.(Cos you're Igbo)
So, why on Earth then did you chose to disfigure and deface your beauty with an ugly balding "whiteman's" face.? You don't know the impact of this, but it is pychologically traumatizing.
___________________ imagination is better than knowledge Posts: 30 | From: Toronto-Canada | Registered: Oct 2005
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quote: meanwhile the state is being held hostage by illiterate gangsters with ill gotten wealth. As the biblical adage says: 'The love of money is the root of ALL evil' unfortunately, this is and has always been the problem with people from Onitsha/Anambra area. Their inordinate love of money have made them an object of perpetual ridicule in the eyes of other Igbos, Nigerians, and indeed other Africans that have the displeasure of meeting them.
quote: i stand by my earlier assertion; Anambra state people are a joke...there appear to me to be people who have very low self esteem. They are always taking idiotic titles to boost up their egos, are typically loud/gaudy/obnoxious/arrogant and only see value and worth in the acquistion of money. These are the attributes a dishonorable people who are shallow and fickle, as indeed most Imo/Abia people regard those from the Anambra area. Many of them have abandoned education for the lustful pursuit of money, and as a result they have people who are wealthy but who lack the ettiqute, decorum, sophistication, finness, or culture that is demanded in todays world. They are just plain crass!!!
This is not true, as most times the only way to tell “Ndi’Igbo” apart (i.e. whether being from Anamabra or Imo) is from the dialect & phonetics, and this is can only be most times deciphered by the Igbo themselves, which goes to say, that most “Igbo hating Nigerians and Africans” (ur words), cannot infact, tell exactly who they have had the “said displeasure of meeting” or who exactly is “the money loving group” which is the object of “said ridicule”. That means, expect [i.e. Igbo hating Nigerians and Africans] have consciously taken a “scientific survey of some sort” of all of Ndi’Igbo they have met, cannot in effect say if they’ve dealt with either Anambra, Imo or Delta Igbo. That infact means that the said “Igbo hating Nigerians and Africans” are displeasured by all Igbos, and not just Anambras….
In your very words you have described the Anambras (I say all of Ndi’Igbo) as the following:
1) Money loving/greedy, 2) Anambras (I say Igbos) are a Joke, who appears to have a very low self esteem. 3) Possess over-sized egos as exhibited by their adapting idiotic, self glorifying titles 4) Loud, gaudy, obnoxious, arrogant, maniacally obsessed with money hence causing them to appear shallow and fickle, choosing the lustful pursuit of money over the acquisition of a formal education 5) etc, of all other nasty unappealing and demeaning things you care to mention or not.
To these I say, perhaps to an extent you are right. But I ask you, do u know our history? Do understand the circumstances that we face today and how they came to be? Have you walked a mile in our shoes? I take it that you have not, so I’ll explain to you to the best of my ability.
PLESE NOTE: These are my thoughts and really not from any references, and each point could be argued relatively.
The Igbo fought a civil war, the Biafran war. The war is over (or so it appears, whether this is true or not is a discussion for another thread).The Igbo you see today are post-war Igbo. The Igbo in Nigeria of today is suffering from the PTWSS, i.e. Post Traumatic War Stress Syndrome (reader pls research its symptoms). This “disease” is characteristic of an ethic group who have gone thru genocide at the hands of their so-called “neighbors and trusted friends” (in our case Nigeria), after which we (Igbo) have been forced to continue living and interacting with them as well as being governed by their policies (which we have had not hand in making). That is the same people who killed, mained and tried to rid themselves of us (Igbo) by full blown attack and war, devised a “better and more PC way” of carrying out their plans. They waved “peace and reconciliatory treaty” before our noses, but continued their “war & attack” by methods of institutionalized debasement, demeaning and ethnic profiling (stereotyping: the very thing you a right now guilty of). After all that’s more PC. Nigerians have infact not forgiven us for the war and quite rightly so, never will. The war on our part wasn’t meant to keep us together with Nigeria, we fought and prepared for a great nation, Biafra, that maybe, might have now developed some respect for Nigeria (or maybe pity if its current state is anything to go by) as our neighbors. Biafrans are inherently good people.
There are two main factors that today affects and drives the Ibo man/woman;
Isolation & exacerbating poverty:
Nigeria has systematically isolated the Igbos. [Forgiveness for the war indeed!] The Hausa believe they are the "the birth-righted" ruling class of Nigeria and the Yorubas, care too much for themselves and their own and so are willing to do anything to maintain status quo. You the Igbo man, who holds the very resources that can give them their dreams and lifestyle (OIL AND GAS), dared to rock the boat, and you honestly believe that they are going to “forgive & forget” and put you in a position that could allow you do it again? Think about that for a moment, (if you are Igbo, or even on appealing to your sense of objectivity) does it make sense?
They have systematically kept “us” (Igbo) from reaching any significant heights in governance, and the ones that they have allowed a glimpsing of "an apparition of leadership" (i.e. our so-called leaders) and possibly allowed to hold on to it, are mostly "sellouts", Igbos who do not care too much for their "own" and only for their bellies.
They have used poverty, yes poverty, Mike Ellis, as a very stratergic weapon of destruction.. The Igbo states and regions are left highly under developed. The “common Igbo man/woman” lives in abject poverty, with no form of social infrastructure whatsoever. Bad leaders are planted to further keep out any development.
To further make their point; only the Niger bridge connects us (the east) to the rest of Nigeria… [My take; so incase of anything they can blow up that bridge and “keep us in”…Sorry I heard that there’s now a direct route from Benin to Port-Harcourt, I mean , they have to be able to get to the Hydrocarbons now don’t they?]
What is the long term effect this factor? The Igbo man/woman is “serial migratory” moving about, traveling around trying to find a better place, a better life. Demography can not be under estimated in community development. But when all our young energetic men have left “Ana Igbo” in search of the “proverbial Golden Fleece”, who is going to “build their homestead”, or is “going to fix their land”? Most of the ones left or adamantly “hanging around” are either "the very sellouts planted to further keep us down or ones who have no other choice.
Most of our men in this generation that should be building and fixing “Ana Igbo”, were born to parents who saw the ugliness of the war, and hence the first generation of Igbo “PWTSS suffers”, who exhibit an almost “maniacal drive” to survive. Survival is paramount during war (ask any war survivor). They do not want their children to see poverty, loss and hunger they saw/suffered pre and during the war. They encourage their children to do anything to get the money/wealth anything to keep hunger at bay. They send their boys (our future leaders) off to the big cities to make wealth, at the expense of a formal education. (Hence the apparent love for money, you mentioned).
This factor my dear sir, has created a large group of Igbo sojourners and Diaspora (and mostly sorjorners sadly confusing themselves as Igbo Diaspora, who have lost all connection whatsoever with typical Igbo society as it exist today in present day Nigeria and do not understand the travails of " today's common Igbo man/woman"), a major and almost irrepairable gap in “Igbo leadership sector”.
Sadly, the Igbo man (really a sojorner but self confused, thinking himself in Diaspora), at his current location, gives his sweat to the development and growth of that community, never quite belonging, neither is he fully ever accepted.
Now you said that the Igbo are very loud and obnoxious, wanting to prove by all means possible that we have “arrived” ……. Mike Ellis, think again about a major symptom of PTWSS, one that results due to continued “oppression” and “put down”? (African Americans exhibit this exact symptom of post traumatic stress) The Igbo man believes that he has something to prove and he rightly so does. He fought a war, lost everything he ever had (remember the abandoned property act?), and now he has a second chance, my dear man, he indeed has something to prove (albeit sometimes misplaced). The Igbo man is constantly made to feel like an outsider; landlords wont rent to him; he doesn’t get equal chances at jobs mainly because he doesn’t have the right connections in place to help him in (going by our Nigeria works), even though he very well qualified; he’s doesn’t see himself or hear his voice in the government (remember the leaders that represent him sing the songs of his very oppressors); he’s constantly reminded that he is "second class"….Yes, he has indeed something prove, wouldnt you think?
It appears to be a no win situation, he is constantly judged wrong (Omo Ibo!!!!) thanks to the ills of “ethnic profiling”, the Igbo man is thought of as a cheat, one who loves & values money above life itself; forgetting the circumstances he has faced and his history, he is “watched and treated with some much distain”, the Igbo man resenting that he’s being disrespected for no good reason at all or at least reason that are no fault of his, decides he might as well act out, thereby reinforces the set stereotype. See, nobody wins!!
On a last note , that there are no Igbo names on that “corruption list” (posted by Ednut, above) doesn’t mean that we are more honest and better than other ethnic groups, who are clearly represented, its just clearly indicative of the fact that we have not had the same opportunities and placements.
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