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It has been said that the first lady of BiafraNigeria died in Spain while undergoing plastic surgery. But, we also know that Obasanjo has many wives and Stella was not even the first of the wives. So, why is she being addressed as the "first lady?" At best she was only one of the first ladies. Why does a man who calls himself a born-again Christian have more than one wife?
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Dave, i am no real fan of Obasanjo...but the topic of this thread is repulsive as well as unnecessary. A man has lost his wife, a son his mother, a father his daughter......Allow for time to pass before you start asking such questions which are in extreme bad taste. Just my two cents, take it or leave it....
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If you really had the moral fiber to be repulsed by events in Biafranigeria, you would have been repulsed by Stella Obasanjo and Olusegun Obasanjo's hand-in-hand collaboration in rigging the last elections. I find it dubious and highly hypocritical that you waited until now to express your repulsion. Reality does not take time off just because a criminal or his accomplice has died. You should be ashamed of yourself for asking us to postpone outrage until a later time, especially since Stella Obasanjo usurped the "first lady" position over Obasanjo's other wives. Your opposition to this inquiry is in extreme bad taste.
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quote:So, why is she being addressed as the "first lady?"
I take it that you never heard of the nigeria hocus pocus, now you see it now you don’t? LOL.
quote:Why does a man who calls himself a born-again Christian have more than one wife?
Easy, he is following the biblical example of Easua - Gen 36:6; Jacob, King Solomon, Lamech and others with multitude of wives.
On a serious side, I see no reason for the alarm over this topic. When compared to the atrocious life style of the subjects at the expense of the common man, it becomes in super good taste to have opened it. Just like we were asked the other day who is to judge what constitutes good looks when a comparison was made between obasanjo whom it has been proven holds the record on natural ugliness and the gorilla. The same standard is applicable here, who's the authority on what is to be assumed in "good taste?" I hope I too have contributed my Biafran penny without malice, all?
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Stella got what she deserved for her birthday wish and I don't think anyone should mourn for her. I hope the monster Obasanjo follows her as soon as possible.
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quote:Easy, he is following the biblical example of Easua - Gen 36:6; Jacob, King Solomon, Lamech and others with multitude of wives.
Those characters are biblical, from the Old Testament. But, they were not Christians; Christ came later, and he preached monogamy. Obasanjo has made a fable of his purported "born-again' Christianity. What is his excuse for having many wives, and why is Stella being treated as "first lady"?
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quote:Those characters are biblical, from the Old Testament. But, they were not Christians; Christ came later, and he preached monogamy.
I see, good point however, the pastors that have mastered the art of banging folks out of coins still stagger in the same Old Testament to preach about giving a tenth of one's income. I believe they call it TITHE. As a pious Christian myself, what I prefer is the doctrine of “silver and gold have I none but what I have, I give thee.” Never mind me, brother, just marking time and on my daily patrol that's all. LOL. I forgot this thread is about a lady who was never satisfied with the piles of Pancake she dumped on her face. She had to take it a notch further with a fatal result.
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quote:Originally posted by Dave: It has been said that the first lady of BiafraNigeria died in Spain while undergoing plastic surgery. But, we also know that Obasanjo has many wives and Stella was not even the first of the wives. So, why is she being addressed as the "first lady?" At best she was only one of the first ladies. Why does a man who calls himself a born-again Christian have more than one wife?
Are u really sure he has alot of wives or women who were mother of his children? These are two different things and must not be confused.
Moreover, even if Obj had alot of wives its apparent that Stella was the one he recongnised as his "first lady".
At least we are not so aware of all his other wives (that is if he has any others), can you imagine what the suituation would have been if Bashorun Abiola (of the June 12th fame) had become president, that is if the june 12th election had not been annulled by IBB? Who would have been his first lady? The man had nearly a million (Adaora exaggerating a tad bit) wiives, he married them and they all took his name, this does not include his concubines....
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I’m hearing/reading conflicting stories about her death. Most of these stories however tend to slant towards the surgery being fat-reduction based – as in liposuction. That’s quite surprising because she wasn’t particularly fat or big-boned or whatever the PC term is these days – not that I care very much for all that silliness. Anyway, you raise very interesting questions. I hear they were separated before King Kong’s incarceration by Abacha + then made up when he was imprisoned on the coup charge. Perhaps he was 'abandoned' by his other wives during his 'ordeal' or perhaps it may simply be down to the reason of Stella being the most 'presentable' of all his wives. Who knows?
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Adaora my sister first of all let me join in welcoming you to BNW.
Now as for the question raised by Dave. Dave is absolutely right. Sister Adaora you have to understand in Yoroba culture marriage is not like you will see in say western christian culture or Igbo christian culture for that matter. Obasanjo do have many wives, not just women who have children for him. I am not sure how much verse you are in Yoruba or Africa culture, In Yoruba culture all Obasanjo needed to do to bring in a wife or wives is to stage Owambe party and invite friends and supposedly in-laws to announcing his iyabo as wife #------. Unlike say in Igbo culture which one have to engage in amala rights and ihe umu nwanyi before he can call such his wife.
To answer Dave's question, Stella was not Obasanjo's first wife. Obasanjo Met Stella around 1977 in one of his visit to London as the then Head of State of Nigeria. Obasanjo was still Married at the time. During a party organized for Obasanjo by Nigeria community in london at the time, Stella was living in london back then. Stella was in that party among the welcoming group, and was very ellegant lady. Obasanjo was smitten by stella at that party. Reliable source said that Obasanjo promised Heaven and earth to Stella at that time. However Stella wasn't sure if she wants to Marry a man who already have another wife. But Obasanjo been ochu wa ochu gbu, would not take no for an answer. Obasanjo proceed to pursue and chase Stella, until Stella came back to Nigeria in 1978. Well lets say that $3.8 billion that got missing in 1978 under Obasanjo first watch, some of it probably went for lavish gifts to convince Stella to marry him.
After Obasanjo left office in 1979, I think in the mid 1980s he took another wife or wives, which led to a temporary seperation between him and stella in the early 1990s, plus by 1990 Obasanjo's wealth was drying up, the Ota farm was a carricature back then, so Stella probably had enough of his roving eyes, and the lower life style. remember that Abacha jailed Obasanjo for treason because Obasanjo was planning for Abacha's overthrow. There was facts to that, because Obasanjo's accumulated public fund during his first merry go round was drying up and he was scheming to get back to Government and deep into public treasury, so overthrowing Abacha was part of that plan.
Now when Obasanjo found him self in jail, Most of his wives abandoned him, so he crwaled back to Stella. So Stella through her Brother in-law Chris Uba's senior brother who used to live here in Los Angeles, and owns a medical supply business, Mr Uba was supplying Obasanjo all the High blood pressure medications and diabetes medication Obasanjo needed in jail. This was channelled through stella. this is how Stella became first lady and Mr Uba senior became special Assistant to Obasanjo. As the say the rest is hsitroy.
quote:...all Obasanjo needed to do to bring in a wife or wives is to stage Owambe party and invite friends and supposedly in-laws to announcing his iyabo.... - Biafra
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Please let us face facts and realise that Obasanjo is a sexist with multitude of wifes. I personaly know, through my Inlaws his first wife Mrs.Aderemi. Obasanjo has 18 wives
quote: Press Review of Thursday, 18 March 1999 Free Press "Obasanjo has 18 wives" reports the Free Press in a front -page story. The Paper says rumour is circulating in talk shops all over Nigeria that General Olusegun Obasango Nigeria's president elect is faced with the dilemma of choosing a first lady among his 18 wives. The report asserts that Stella Obasanjo, with whom he has a 21 year old son, is rumored to be his most favourite wife and likely to be selected for the position. The story says the President elect's marriage with his first wife, Mrs. Caroline Aderemi Obasanjo fell on the rocks when he started having extra marital relationships. They married in the early sixties but the sour development robs Caroline of the exalted office. GRi
Some of his other well known wives are Major Moji Obasanjo (rtd) whom he married 1991 and Taiwo Obasanjo with multitude of lesser ones .
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It seems that even Obasanjo himself did not consider Stella to be the first lady. Here is Obasanjo's speech following Stella's death. Not once in the entire speech did Obasanjo refer to Stella as "first lady."
quote:President Obasanjo's broadcast on Bellview plane crash and Stella's death
Fellow Nigerians
In the past 48 hours, Nigeria has been in mourning.
The successes gained in the first six days of last week that included the seem to have been overshadowed by the tragic' incident of the Bellview aircraft crash at Lassa in Ogun State and the sudden death of my dear wife, Stella while on holiday and without noticeable illness.
The two tragic events touched me personally and touched almost every family in Nigeria especially those that had relations, friends, acquaintances, associates, co-workers, and loved ones among the victims of the air crash. I believe that the accident must have' impacted on many lives in unexpected ways.
My condolence goes to the families of nonNigerians who were victims of the air crash.
My brothers and sisters, let me assure you that I personally feel and share your sorrow and pain. I can imagine positive plans that have become suddenly terminated. That is our family experience in the demise of the mother of our own household. I can see hopes for' the future that have unexpectedly receded into seemingly unattainable horizons. The nation shares in this moment of grief and our prayers are with you.
Let us take solace in the fact that only God, our Creator understands the reasons for everything. We cannot because we are limited in vision and comprehension. God never makes mistakes and has a plan for everyone. We must be strong and never give Satan the opportunity to negate our faith, corrupt our souls, and divert us from the strong bonds of unity and love that bind us together as a people.
Fellow Nigerians, this is the time to come together, grief together, console each other, strengthen our faith, consolidate our hopes and rededicate ourselves to the cause of our country and humanity. Those who have lost their lives may not be with us physically, but you can be rest assured that they are with us in spirit and would want us to be strong at all times.
I appreciate the outpouring of condolences, sympathy, visits and solidarity from all quarters in the country and from outside the country. I believe that this adversity should strengthen our resolve to remain committed, strong and unshaken in our effort to make Nigeria a great country that God has created to actualize her potentials. We are already on the path to greatness through our comprehensive reform agenda; we must not waver or get diverted, distracted, confused, or discouraged.
We must draw strength from this adversity and show to ourselves, communities and the world that we are a people with a goal and with the will to put our past behind us and move forward together.
While I take this opportunity to thank all Nigerians and friends of Nigeria who have expressed condolences and are observing the period of national mourning, I will also implore Nigerians to redouble our efforts along the lines of implementing our reforms, the result of which are becoming obvious.
I also wish to, as a mark of respect to the memory of all those who lost their lives on the night of Saturday to Sunday, the 22nd and 23rd of October 2005, implore all Nigerians wherever they may be on Wednesday the 26th of October 2005, at mid-day, to stop whatever they may be doing wherever possible, maintain a one minute silence and pray for the repose of the souls of the departed, the comfort and consolation of the bereaved, and for peace, security and protection of our dear country. The Ogun State Government has been directed to organize an Inter-Faith Memorial Service at the site of the crash on Thursday the 27th of October 2005.
I have already ordered a full and thorough investigation into the cause of the air crash with a view to ensuring that this sort of calamity does not repeat itself. In addition, I have directed the Aviation Ministry to ensure strict compliance with maintenance and operations requirements and standards for all aircraft in order to plug loopholes and ensure passenger safety. We must draw strong lessons from this experience and we shall leave no stone unturned to ensure the highest standards in the aviation industry.
I pray that God will give us all the inner strength, peace of mind, and capacity to bear the losses that we have experienced and empower us to come out of this situation, stronger, .more united, more determined to love one another, and closer to God in all that we speak and do.
Thank you and may God continue to bless and protect Nigeria.
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quote:That’s quite surprising because she wasn’t particularly fat or big-boned or whatever the PC term is these days…
Stella being the most 'presentable' of all his wives.
Are you kidding us the lady at [5’ 2’’ and 185 or more POUNDS (guesstimating)] was obese only that she covered it with the “Sokoto” or whatever the hell they call the Bubba they wear to cover up excess fat. Ex., a lot of out of the world heavy duty Moslem women usually cover their excess baggage in the black outfit, poqua(?) they are forced by wicked men to wear with space wide enough for us to see a pretty face, like in stella. Good point on your last statement.
Adaora:
As to your legit question regarding who would have been honored with the so-called First Lady title had Abiola been the president, I say whoever was married first would have been the appropriate choice. After all first means that, first among others (LOL). Please allow me to also join the community of friends, foes and well wishers to WELCOME you to our honorable court, BNW. Daalu!
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quote: Please allow me to also join the community of friends, foes and well wishers to WELCOME you to our honorable court, BNW. Daalu!
About time!!
Thanks very much, Mebiafran, glad to be here ...
A.
p.s. Mebiafran, I must concede that this was never really a fair "fight", at least from my point of veiw. I had got alot of practise from one of my past work assignments, where i was team leader to nearly 30men. Most of them were white idiotic rednecks, who didnt even have a high school diploma. They couldnt fanthom why they had to take orders from a black woman, young enough to be their daughter (in some cases), who spoke with a Britsh accent (to them, i came across as condensending)...I pissed them off just by "opening my mouth" alone, mind you this was on a rig offshore, where "accidents" could happen. I had to devise "creative" ways to to insult them, which would leave them thinking ".....hmmm, was I just insulted or was she just being polite?.."...I even made a grown man cry once (this is still the high point of my career, a very proud moment indeed)...So you see, I have had alot of practise, moreover, you are not half as bad as those guys....
Stay well bro....
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quote: Are you kidding us the lady at [5’ 2’’ and 185 or more POUNDS (guesstimating)] was obese only that she covered it with the “Sokoto” or whatever the hell they call the Bubba they wear to cover up excess fat.
That’s my point though. Y’know women have a variety of ways they employ in covering up or holding in ‘stuff’. Since she usually wore loose-fitting clothes, I cannot for the life of me comprehend the necessity of the surgery. Anyway, I pray her soul rests in peace. Yet again we are reminded of our mortality.
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quote:They couldnt fanthom why they had to take orders from a black woman, young enough to be their daughter (in some cases), who spoke with a Britsh accent....
I knew it! Some of the things you’ve said definitely mark you out as someone who has lived or grew up here. Couldn’t figure out the Houston connection but decided to just chill + keep an eye out on the off chance that you relocated.
Anyway, I’m happy MeB + yourself are now best of friends. I definitely hear wedding bells tolling in the distance. After a while I came to see the exchange between the pair of you for what it really was: an elaborate mating ritual.
Hey MeB,
In primary school did you frequently pull the hair of any girl you fancied? Tell the truth.
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quote:...After a while I came to see the exchange between the pair of you for what it really was: an elaborate mating ritual.
Hey MeB,
In primary school did you frequently pull the hair of any girl you fancied? Tell the truth.
LOLOLOL and ROFLMAO!!!!!!
Not quite you know it's been a looooooooooooong lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time ago, I probably picked (not hair but poked fun) on a girl of my fancy then. You grammarians call it flirting nowadays. This grammar stuff, sef. Yup! It turned out well almost always back then. I don’t know about my chances here since I pissed the you-know-what outta our dear sis already.
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quote: I knew it! Some of the things you’ve said definitely mark you out as someone who has lived or grew up here. Couldn’t figure out the Houston connection but decided to just chill + keep an eye out on the off chance that you relocated.
Yeap, moved to Houston 2yrs ago..(No, I dont like here one bit and would have gone back if i didnt have bills to pay)......I thot the British flag on my avatar was a dead give away but hey.....?!!?
quote: Anyway, I’m happy MeB + yourself are now best of friends. I definitely hear wedding bells tolling in the distance. After a while I came to see the exchange between the pair of you for what it really was: an elaborate mating ritual.
Igboblood,
What are you trying to do, give me a heart attack???
quote: Not quite you know it's been a looooooooooooong lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time ago, I probably picked (not hair but poked fun) on a girl of my fancy then. You grammarians call it flirting nowadays. This grammar stuff, sef. Yup! It turned out well almost always back then. I don’t know about my chances here since I pissed the you-know-what outta our dear sis already.
Not quite you know it's been a looooooooooooong lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time ago, I probably picked (not hair but poked fun) on a girl of my fancy then. You grammarians call it flirting nowadays. This grammar stuff, sef. Yup! It turned out well almost always back then. I don’t know about my chances here since I pissed the you-know-what outta our dear sis already. - MeB
Soldier on bruv…who knows?
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quote:Igboblood,
What are you trying to do, give me a heart attack???
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This is for those who want to gag the honest ones from saying the truth about the dead. Hope they understand that one’s death does not erase the wicked avarices of that individual. Hear it from another sharp and objective mind.
quote:SPEAKING ILL OF THE DEAD by Remi Oyeyemi - Monday, October 31, 2005
"The evil that men do live after them." -- William Shakespare
I am aware that this is breaking with the conventional wisdom. I am conscious that this is a rebuke of tradition. I am not oblivious to the fact that it is against the norm. I am not unaware that this is not in tune with the mainstream. I am aware some would loath me for it. Some would deride me. Others would call me names. Those who really never liked my guts, would have this reinforced it for them. But those who have the objective ability to see things the way they are and are able to call them as exactly as they should, would see some sense in this.
The idea of not speaking ill of the dead is not a good idea, especially if the dead person did nothing deserving of praise. The idea of praising the dead, regardless if the dead during his or her life was mean spirited, greedy, selfish, inconsiderate, odiously acquisitive, ruthless and disdainful is totally unacceptable. It is wrong and should be done away with. We should be able to say exactly what kind of person someone was during his or her life. MeBiafran TOTALLY, TOTALLY AGREES!!!!!
I take serious objection to the rain of praise that has been cascading down on the corpse of the late Mrs. Stella Obasanjo. In my own view she is not deserving of any praise whatsoever at least in the public domain. It is alright for President Olusegun Obasanjo to cry himself hoarse, because no one likes to see another person dead, even if the person was not close to you. It is acceptable if he cries to mourn his wife. It is acceptable for her only son to mourn his dear mother. It is very acceptable for the family of the dead to mourn their loss. I also believe that it is alright for the rest of us who are victims of the first family to acknowledge the loss of a soul, not because of any other reason other than the fact that we are all human beings. And this is where it ought to end. No more, no less.
What is unacceptable is to mourn on a national scale the Nigerian version of Marie Antoinette who never cared how many times her husband raised the fuel price to further pummel the down trodden. Stella Obasanjo never cared about the unemployed youth in Nigeria. She never raised her voice in their support once. If she did I missed it and someone should call my attention. She never spoke up for once on the deteriorating health standard of Nigerians and the Nigerian hospitals as they turn into slaughter houses. Probably, this was because she believed she could always go to Spain for whatever she needed medically.
Stella Obasanjo never tried to convince her husband, the president, to reconsider his policies of genocide against the Odi people and the suffering people of the Niger Delta for once. She never tried to appeal to the humaneness of her husband, if he ever had any, about the "shoot at sight" order of her husband against Nigerians who had and still have legitimate complains about her husband's policies. She never tried to show that she was a mother or cared about the plight of mothers who keep losing their children to hunger and disease on daily basis by influencing her husband to do the right thing by them.
When Chris Ubah was terrorizing the people of Anambra State, what role did Stella Obasanjo play to bring sanity and succour to the people of that sta
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