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I have decided to start this thread so as to tell the world that Governor Orji Kalu is not the devil reincarnate nor a presidential "joker" which some on this board mischieviously want the world to buy. Moreover, I did bet with one forumite before signing off last year that I will be back to to tell them that "I TOLD YOU SO."
For while the talkatives were on BNW taking themselves serious with the notion that the TRASH they wrote/write of Orji Kalu as a person or his stewardship od Abia State has in anyway, shape or form impacted on the popularity rating of the charismatic governor, little did they know that the governor and his supporters around the world (believe it or not Orji Kalu is the most popular mainstream Igbo politician today) were busy networking with the Nigerian masses (those who will actually decide Orji Kalu's fate on election day) and selling Orji Kalu to the power brockers in Nigeria and in the west.
Though I have severily in the past highlighted some of the pluses that makes Orji Kalu worthy of a Nigerian president, now that the White House has formally endorsed Orji Kalu's candidacy, all I will do below is to highlight Orji kalu's engagements in the last couple of months and weeks to add to his resume.
Orji Kalu The King Maker:
Governor Orji Kalu has literarily turned the Government House in Umuahia into a political mecca of a sort of late. The wisdom before now among Igbo politicians seeking for national office has been that any Igbo who intends to vie for Nigeria presidency must as a rule pay homage to none Igbo self-styled king makers like Babagida, Buhari and Obasanjo to be "endorsed." But thanks to the forsighted and self-confident governor of Abia State, the tide is now turning eastward. Because instead of Orji Kalu going to Yorubaland or Hausaland to beg anyone for "endorsement" as Dr. Alex Ekweme and others before him did, it is the the likes of Buhari and Babangida who are now streaming into Igboland to consult with the oracle in Umuahia!
On Obasanjo's Alleged Third term Ambition:
If there's any Nigerian politician of note who should be credited for exposing and frustrating Obasanjo's fraudulent third term agenda, that person is none other than Governor Orji Kalu. Because while other corrupt and cowardly governors were shamelessly lining behind Obasanjo and begging him to continue in office beyond 2007, the fearless Governor Orji Kalu was uncompromising and he turned out to be the only one in the pack that refused to buy into the fraud! So whether Orji Kalu's opponents like it or not, that singular act of bravery and courage has writen his name in gold for postarity!
Orji Kalu The Peace Maker:
Charity as they say must begin at home. One does not need to be a political guru or a student of Nigerian history to acknowledge that the main reason why Ndigbo have not been able to produce a president in post war Nigeria has been the primitive clan politics and the pull-him-down syndrome which has been the bane of the Igbo political elite since the civil war ended. Bearing this mind, and knowing how damaging that could be to his or any other Igbo's ambition, Orji Kalu being the shrewd politician that he is started his political campaign by reaching out to all political figure of note from Igboland. It is to Orji Kalu's credit that Dr. Alex Ekwueme and Ojukwu who have been entranged for decades are now reconciled to one another!
AFTER ALL SAID AND DONE, ANY FAIR OBSERVER WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT ORJI KALU IS A BRIDGE BUILDER, A PEACE MAKER, A GO-GETTER AND THE TYPE OF PRESIDENT NIGERIA DESPERATELY NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD AS A COUNTRY AND TO JOIN THE CIVILIZED WORLD.
...And the civilized world, led by Washington agrees intoto:
Washington has picked five Nigerians it believes could take over from President Olusegun Obasanjo even with Abuja giving mixed signals on the third term scheme.
The five have been investigated and cleared by the American authorities. They are a former world bank official, a South East governor who has had running battles with Obasanjo and is among a small group of governors resisting an extension of his rule. They include a retired military officer from the Middle Belt, an outspoken former speaker of the House of Representatives and a serving minister who recently accused Senators of corruption.
State Department officials said they got involved because one of the reasons the supporters of Obasanjo gave for their call for an extension of his tenure is the lack of credible alternative to his leadership.
"This list is our humble contribution to the search for the next leaders of a vital ally like Nigeria", the officials said.
The serving governor appears to lead the pack of those favoured for Aso Rock, as American officials believe he already has structures on the ground, is actively campaigning for job and enjoys wide support. They, however, caution that his brash approach may have singled him out for special attention from the supporters of Obasanjo.
"Our sources indicate that there may be serious troubles for the governor in the coming months as he is currently under security watch by government agents" officials said.
They dismissed claims that they may be meddling in a purely domestic matter of another nation.
"We are currently in consultation with the Nigerian Government on other ways we can assist in ensuring a scheduled transfer of power next year. We have co-operated in the war against graft and other matters, so we have a stake in who can continue the present trend".
The latest action from Washington shows that U.S. officials are not backing down from their stand against plans to extend Obasanjo's term. They have said in the past one week that they are watching events in Nigeria closely and would do so until the President leaves office.
This has drawn sharp reactions from Abuja, with Presidential Spokesman, Femi Fani-Kayode, asking Washington not to interfere in the internal affairs of the country. Obasanjo has also reportedly asked President George Bush to caution his officials from making comments on the Nigerian situation.
But an administration official insisted that all the comments reflect the policy of the U.S. to a new leadership in Africa as a way to ensure "democracy and progress". ___________________________________________
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Quote: ------------------------ The serving governor appears to lead the pack of those favoured for Aso Rock, as American officials believe he already has structures on the ground, is actively campaigning for job and enjoys wide support. ------------------------
Everything I said in the past of Orji Kalu on this board about his broad support base among Nigerians of every ethnic and religious background matches 100% with the above profiling by the powers that be in Washington.
It surely takes more than registering on BNW to decode and understand Nigerian politics and the players therein.
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I don't know how much you know about America, but I do not believe they operate like that. I am sorry but that story look like something Orji pay for. Already America has deny it.
2007: US denies list of Obasanjo’s successors by Elkanah Chawai / 2006-01-05
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The United States Embassy has debunked reports that the US government has endorsed five candidates... The United States Embassy has debunked reports that the US government has endorsed five candidates that will succeed President Olusegun Obasanjo in 2007. A national daily yesterday reported that the US government picked five Nigerians who have been investigated and cleared by the American authorities. In reaction to the reports, US Embassy Counsellor for Public Affairs, Mrs Claudia Anyaso, told Daily Trust that the report was totally erroneous and that there was no truth in it. She said that the US government supports the Nigerian constitution which stipulates a limit of two terms, adding that the US has always supported true elections and a democratic process but will not impose presidents on Nigerians. She stressed that the US still stands on an earlier statement by a former Assistant Secretary of State, Herman Cohen, who said that “there must be change in Nigeria now so someone new can come in and move the anti-corruption programme forward.” Mrs. Anyaso said there was already a precedent reaction from the US about the third term bid, the insinuation that the US will select for Nigerians in 2007 was therefore totally false. Yesterday’s report said that the US has endorsed a former world bank official, a south east governor who has been antagonistic to President Obasanjo and a retired military officer from the middle belt. Others are a former Speaker of the House of Representatives and a serving minister who has had problems with the upper chambers of the National Assembly. The report, while quoting unnamed American officials, stated that the serving governor seems to be favoured by the US to ascend the presidency in 2007. American officials were quoted as saying that the US is having consultations with the Nigerian government on ways to assist to ensure a smooth transfer of power. Mrs. Anyaso explained that the US assistance to Nigeria revolves around granting technical assistance to see that the 2007 elections are successful. She said the US, through the International Republican Institute, is giving technical assistance to political parties. However, she didn’t reveal the identities of the political parties involved in the project. She said that the programme included educating political parties on how to work, how to select candidates and showing them how to become real parties. The national daily’s report said that the American officials dismissed claims that the American government is meddling in Nigeria’s internal affairs. It would be recalled that President Obasanjo was reported to have directed the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ambassador Olu Adeniji, to write a letter of complaint about Cohen’s statement while Femi Fani-Kayode reportedly said that the US shouldn’t interfere in Nigeria’s affairs.
2007: US denies list of Obasanjo’s successors by Elkanah Chawai / 2006-01-05
The United States Embassy has debunked reports that the US government has endorsed five candidates... The United States Embassy has debunked reports that the US government has endorsed five candidates that will succeed President Olusegun Obasanjo in 2007. A national daily yesterday reported that the US government picked five Nigerians who have been investigated and cleared by the American authorities. In reaction to the reports, US Embassy Counsellor for Public Affairs, Mrs Claudia Anyaso, told Daily Trust that the report was totally erroneous and that there was no truth in it. She said that the US government supports the Nigerian constitution which stipulates a limit of two terms, adding that the US has always supported true elections and a democratic process but will not impose presidents on Nigerians. She stressed that the US still stands on an earlier statement by a former Assistant Secretary of State, Herman Cohen, who said that “there must be change in Nigeria now so someone new can come in and move the anti-corruption programme forward.” Mrs. Anyaso said there was already a precedent reaction from the US about the third term bid, the insinuation that the US will select for Nigerians in 2007 was therefore totally false. Yesterday’s report said that the US has endorsed a former world bank official, a south east governor who has been antagonistic to President Obasanjo and a retired military officer from the middle belt. Others are a former Speaker of the House of Representatives and a serving minister who has had problems with the upper chambers of the National Assembly. The report, while quoting unnamed American officials, stated that the serving governor seems to be favoured by the US to ascend the presidency in 2007. American officials were quoted as saying that the US is having consultations with the Nigerian government on ways to assist to ensure a smooth transfer of power. Mrs. Anyaso explained that the US assistance to Nigeria revolves around granting technical assistance to see that the 2007 elections are successful. She said the US, through the International Republican Institute, is giving technical assistance to political parties. However, she didn’t reveal the identities of the political parties involved in the project. She said that the programme included educating political parties on how to work, how to select candidates and showing them how to become real parties. The national daily’s report said that the American officials dismissed claims that the American government is meddling in Nigeria’s internal affairs. It would be recalled that President Obasanjo was reported to have directed the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ambassador Olu Adeniji, to write a letter of complaint about Cohen’s statement while Femi Fani-Kayode reportedly said that the US shouldn’t interfere in Nigeria’s affairs.
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quote:Because instead of Orji Kalu going to Yorubaland or Hausaland to beg anyone for "endorsement" as Dr. Alex Ekweme and others before him did, it is the the likes of Buhari and Babangida who are now streaming into Igboland to consult with the oracle in Umuahia! – Nwa Aro
What about the apology he tendered on behalf of the great Igbo? What about the mosque he built to appease the North while Abia roads are in a state of disrepair? Ekwueme wasn’t so foolish.
Moreover, the consultation with oracles is literal! That Kalu geezer has been fraternising with dark forces for a long time.
quote:the fearless Governor Orji Kalu was uncompromising and he turned out to be the only one in the pack that refused to buy into the fraud! So whether Orji Kalu's opponents like it or not, that singular act of bravery and courage has writen his name in gold for postarity! – Nwa Aro
Would he have done the same if he was not vying for the office of president?
The surprising thing about your post is that while you liberally listed the ‘achievements’ of the Abia criminal under certain broad categories which you believe make him suitable for the ‘exalted’ office, you didn’t deem it fit to list his contributions to the development of his State + the empowerment of his people. The achievements you listed are clearly political + thus by extension, personally motivated! Give us examples of times when Kalu was selfless enough to put his people first – as is the requirement of the position of governor.
quote: now that the White House has formally endorsed Orji Kalu's candidacy, all I will do below is to highlight Orji kalu's engagements in the last couple of months and weeks to add to his resume.- Nwa Aro
...And the civilized world, led by Washington agrees intoto - Nwa Aro
Really? Anyway, the post by Kamalu has now knocked you off your perch of blissful ignorance but I wonder if you remember this response you posted to Oha Ka:
quote: ----------------------------------- “The United States National Intelligence Council in a document entitled "Map-ping Sub-Saharan Africa's Future" has predicted "outright collapse of Nigeria" as a nation-state within the next 15 years.---Oha ka. ----------------------------------- Nwa Aro posted October 15, 2005 03:15 AMOctober 15, 2005 03:15 AM
Another false story anchored on mischieve. Is it not same "Intelligence Council" that misled the Americans and her allies of mostly third world countries to war based on a "dunk case"? Was it not the false alarm that was riased by the socalled U.S. Intelligence which claimed that Saddam Hussein had "weapons of mass destruction" that turned out be a a haox that you still want the world to take serious? You guys are clearly living in Ojukwu's dreamland of fantacies thiry-plus years after he (Ojukwu) also made the mistake of thinking that the western media reporting the dying Igbos traslates to mean that the western goverments will side with his Biafra. Examples like above is why most Igbo-Nigerians think you neoBiafrans have not learned anything from Ojukwu's blunder; it is for same reasons that the Nwa Aros will continue to question your interior motives. BTW, have you ever asked yourself why the war-monger called George Bush has not found it easy to sell his "weapon of mass destruction" gabbage after the invasion of Iraq? Have you asked yourself why he and the Americans have instead resorted to using diplomatic means, mostly through the European governments, namely, Germany, France and Britain in dealing with Iran and North Korea? Only people like you who do not have a good case to make on WHY Nigeria should be cut and shared into enclaves that will be so stupid to take such JUNK from the American Arms Dealers Association, aka, "U.S. Intelligence Community" seriously.
Have you now chosen to believe whatever the Americans say? You really have to do something about your lack of consistency.
Oh yeah, Happy New Year mate!
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orji uzo kalu is a thief neck-deep in the nigerian culture of graft, embezzlement and fraud -- a baby olusegun obasanjo in terms of staging fraud and stealing public money, although a little smarter than the dense yoroba ape.
orji uzo kalu is too nigerian, lacks any real talent apart from a can-do fraudulent attitude. He's not qualified to represent the Igbo even if he's the right stuff by nigerian standard and more alive than all the brain dead nigerian presidents since 1968.
He should first account for his stewardship in his current postion before venturing into nigerian politics on behalf of the Igbo. In any case, there will be NO nigerian CENSUS, NO nigeria Selections in Igboland and most of Biafra come 2007. That is the real deal.
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Even while the rented crowd on BNW were painting a different picture of Orji Kalu, his political profile was on the rise among the Yorubas who are on the ground in Nigeria and who knows better:
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ORJI KALU MAKING A DIFFERENCE!
Ladies and Gentlemen: If anything, we must give Governor Kalu a very big Kudo for his bold and courageous moves - wanting to make a difference in Nigerian polity that is ridden with all sorts of political and social abnormalities. We have about one hundred political parties in Nigeria - none has fielded a presidential or other candidates - almost eighteen months into the elections season. Has OBJ instructed them not to field any candidate?
Has the Electoral Commission declared that all other political parties are ineligible to field presidential or other candidates? Gov. Kalu of PDP is the only one out there, campaigning - telling the people what he intends to do as president - and no one has, or could stop him. Others are busy holding clandestine meetings accross the country, talking about one hidden agenda by one person. Why should what we do not know thwart our efforts at doing what we know? We all know there will be general elections in 2007, but we do not know if OBJ is running for the third-term - well, why don't we come out to prepare for the elections that we know will take place in 2007; in the process of doing this, we would then know OBJ's intentions for 2007.
What really baffles me with those bogus politicians crying wolf on every blessed day about OBJ after 2007 is that, instead of declaring their intentions to run - and actually begin to talk to the people, they are wasting time crying like babies about post-2007 presidency when we are actually in 2005: OBJ has every right to ignore all the cowardice noise and distractions of these ingenious characters (he owes no one any explanation about post 2007), after all, he is still serving his constitutional term that ends in 2007. OBJ has told the world, a few times that he would not seek a day longer in office in 2007 - his spokespersons have continued to echo it - even as of a few days ago - what else do they want from this man who is changing the socio-economic climate of our country, by the day? OBJ has publicly called these wolf-crying politicians "shady characters who have a lot of things to hide and are scared of the ongoing anti-corruption program" and none of them has come back to challenge OBJ's character, except for the third-term agenda rumors that have become a daily chorus across the country.
By now, our registered political parties should have fielded candidates for all offices in the national and state executive and legislature - but in their state of inertia, they are all waiting to hear from OBJ, repeatedly and on every occasion, to tell them that he is not running for third-term, only then would they begin to prepare for 2007 national elections. Something is wrong with our politicians - even our vice president cannot formally declare his intention to run for an office he cherishes to occupy - just about a year and half to go into national elections, what time would he have to campaign before the elections? I really do not understand the notion of people being pre-occupied with a latent intent of someone, so much that they would waste two years away talking, instead of declaring and campaigning to the Nigerian peoples about their plans for 2007. It must be understood that under no circumstance would I support any third-term bid for OBJ - however, he has done to Nigeria what no leader had ever done before him; even if it is perceived to be selective - Nigeria has to start from somewhere.
It seems to me that all the crocodile tears about third-term agenda is nothing but a distraction to deflate the appreciation of the masses on OBJ's anti-corruption crusade. Finally, I challenge all the noise makers on third-term agenda to emulate Gov. Kalu; we are still in 2005, they should come out to tell us their plans to turn Nigeria around - time is of the essence - they must no longer waste time on talking, they should act on democratic principles - if they do, the concomitant actions of OBJ regarding the political rivalry that will ensue in the polity would reveal to the whole world the actual intentions of the federal government for 2007. Until then, the dubious politicians would continue to cry wolf for nothing. Kudos to Gov. Kalu for showing a leading example of democratic principles. Talk is cheap - action is golden.
May be it would be OUK after OBJ - Kalu is the only one talking to the peoples. Other presidential and legislative candidates should understand that crying wolf is not good enough - there is no excuse for doing nothing about something!
Nicholas A. Owoyemi _______________________________________
Power they say conceeds nothing than demand. And the courageous Orji Kalu is demading that that power be returned to the Nigerian people come 2007. So unlike what the cyber freaks on BNW who claim to speak for the Yoruba race would want us believe that Obasanjo is a God ordained Nigerian president-for-life or that Orji Kalu's presidential ambition is an Igbo only affair, truth is that most Nigerians, irrespective of race, togue or religion want Obasanjo and his sychophants out of office come 2007 and most favour Governor Orji Kalu as his replacement.
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Did Governor Kalu really build a mosque to please the Hausas? If he wanted to do something for the Hausas, spreading Islam to the detriment of predominantly Christian South is not the way to go.
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There is nothing in the above "denial" from the US Embassy that say that what I posted above was false or that the Americans are not directly involved in Nigerian politics. BTW, do you expect an Ambassador in Nigeria to openly tell you anything less? If you or anyone does, then I take it that you are indeed a political ignoramous.
Quote: ---------------- "She said the US, through the International Republican Institute, is giving technical assistance to political parties. However, she didn’t reveal the identities of the political parties involved in the project. ---------------------------
FYI, diplomats unlike politicians dont talk straight. So could you tell us which party the lady was refering to in the above quote?
Quote: ------------------------------- "Have you now chosen to believe whatever the Americans say? You really have to do something about your lack of consistency.---Igboblood. ------------------------------
Igboblood: May I for the uptenth time tell you that life is NOT white and black; there are grey side to everything in life, and that includes politics. Staying with an idea or a phylosophy that has been defeated by superior argument or staying put in a sinking ship until it sinks is NOT consistency. It is stupidity and cowardish in its rawest form
For the records, I have also given the Americans their due credit when they are right and disagreed with them when they are DEAD wrong. That I did in the case of a non existent "weapon of mass distruction" Iraq. Ditto for when some hungry arms dealers "predicted" that Nigeria will "disintergrate in fifteen years time." Even George Bush and most of his senior members of his cabinet have also aknowledged that they GOT IN WRONG on Iraq! But does that mean that they are always wrong or wrong on everything? The answer is a capital NO.
The diffrence between those who operate on the fringe (like you and most on BNw does) and those who are in the mainstream is that while the former stays put to something which has been defeated by superior argument or event (what you foolishly call "consisatency",) the later either moderate their views or acknowledge that they were on the wrong side of an issue. I may not and still do not believe some of America's foreign policy. But that does not mean that I will argue or disagree with them when they get it right as they did with the recent development in Nigeria.
BTW, can you be man enough to also admit that I was also right when I told you guys that Marwa is a corrupt man and a human rights abuser? For those of you who ignorantly believe that Obasanjo's self-serving "corruption campaign" is real or that the agency which he alone tells who to investigate or jail is fair, it might interest you to know that Marwa, the former military governor of Lagos State under Abacha is cooling his heels in jail since 24 December 2005.
Would you also ignorantly ask me to give you the "evidence" that keeps him there?
More, what happened with your equally corrupt London Metropolitan Police? When will they start persecuting the deposed governor of Bayelsa State whom they claimed stole all the money from Nigeria? Wont it be fair to say that the once highly respected London Police has of late become an extension of the corrupt Nigerian police and that Obasanjo is using them to persecute those he cannot defeat politically on the home front? Imagine someone stealing money from the Nigerian people (as Obasanjo and co claims) and instead of the Nigerian government arresting the person concerned in Nigeria where the crime was committed, they intentionally let the person safe passage to the UK and let the equally corrupt British police do their dirty job.
Something must be definitely wrong with you and your fellow noise makers understanding of basic juriprudence. You guys need to learn 101.
Meanwhile, Orji Kalu's presidential train is on the move and there's nothing you or anyone on BNw could do to stop it...
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quote: Did Governor Kalu really build a mosque to please the Hausas? – Rick
He did indeed. If he can do that + also tender an apology for the war in the open, you can just imagine what he says about Nd’Igbo behind closed Northern doors. The bloke is a complete twit.
Nwa Aro,
Why didn’t you extend New Year wishes my way? Don’t you wish me the best for 2006?
quote:Igboblood: May I for the uptenth time tell you that life is NOT white and black; there are grey side to everything in life, and that includes politics. Staying with an idea or a phylosophy that has been defeated by superior argument or staying put in a sinking ship until it sinks is NOT consistency. It is stupidity and cowardish in its rawest form
Oh I agree with you mate. That is not my grouse. The issue is that you change positions so frequently without good cause. For instance, you castigated Kalu for the apology he tendered + even went on to state that he should NOT be given support for any leadership ambition he may have at the state or federal level. This was a justified position to take. However, what superior argument has caused you to change your position on Kalu? If he had retracted his apology I would understand…but he hasn’t! Therefore, it is apparent to me that your values have been lowered for one or more of the following reasons: (a) your increasing association with sabos (b) tutelage from Abuja (c) a contribution made to your bank balance.
quote:For the records, I have also given the Americans their due credit when they are right and disagreed with them when they are DEAD wrong. That I did in the case of a non existent "weapon of mass distruction" Iraq. Ditto for when some hungry arms dealers "predicted" that Nigeria will "disintergrate in fifteen years time."
Right, my question thus becomes: ‘what are the parameters you use in the evaluation of the statements from the US govt which you accept + those you don’t accept?’ You disagreed with the prediction of the disintegration of Nigeria but agree with the uncorroborated selection of Kalu. Aren’t you just choosing to accept whatever aligns with your current position on issues?
quote:I may not and still do not believe some of America's foreign policy. But that does not mean that I will argue or disagree with them when they get it right as they did with the recent development in Nigeria.
Pray tell. How did they ‘get it right’ this time?
quote:BTW, can you be man enough to also admit that I was also right when I told you guys that Marwa is a corrupt man and a human rights abuser?
Nwa Aro, what does this have to do with anything? Who on this board has risen in defence of Marwa? Certainly not I. You want to be applauded for identifying that an army officer on a soldiers pay is fraudulent when by virtue of the airline he owns it is apparent to all? Stop grasping at straws nwokem + stick to the issues. Don’t start going off at a tangent as you are wont to do when cornered.
quote:Wont it be fair to say that the once highly respected London Police has of late become an extension of the corrupt Nigerian police and that Obasanjo is using them to persecute those he cannot defeat politically on the home front?
I see where you are going with this. You want to discredit Scotland Yard before they ‘catch’ Kalu so you can then turn around to say he is being victimised. Nice try mate. E no go work. Try harder!
quote:Imagine someone stealing money from the Nigerian people (as Obasanjo and co claims) and instead of the Nigerian government arresting the person concerned in Nigeria where the crime was committed, they intentionally let the person safe passage to the UK and let the equally corrupt British police do their dirty job.
Something must be definitely wrong with you and your fellow noise makers understanding of basic juriprudence. You guys need to learn 101.
Rather, you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about as per usual. What is jurisprudence? Is it not related to the law of the land? What is the law of the land? Is it not related to the constitution? What does the constitution state? Does it not clearly state that serving elected officials are immune from prosecution in your One Nigeria? You stridently defend the confusion that is your One Nigeria yet are not conversant with the constitution of the very country you promote. YOU need to learn 101 (whatever that means within the realms of your convoluted thoughts).
Moreover, you had better hold off on your calls for corrupt officials to be arrested in Nigeria because you know what would become of Kalu if that became the case. He is a criminal who is destined to warm a cell if he doesn’t change his ways. If you like continue to point your prayer mat in his general direction. That would change nothing. The mother’s breast is the child’s destiny.
quote: Meanwhile, Orji Kalu's presidential train is on the move and there's nothing you or anyone on BNw could do to stop it...
Again I agree with you. Like my stopped kitchen clock, you are right twice a day. The Kalu kabu-kabu train is on a one-way trip to the very depths of political hell. Why would I want to stop it? Why would any right thinking person? It’s on a well charted course with you in the first-class coach. Do try to enjoy the perilous trip + don’t forget to write.
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Lest we forget that the same “Whitehouse” didn’t do much during the time abacha was trampling all over our freedom. Only those who do not follow the American agenda would show early euphoria to America’s double faced antics. The American hypocrisy should not be ignored since they did be the first to jump ship when push turns to kwacking. Lest also we forget that the article said Washington picked FIVE and not one to replace the ape so what’s the hoopla about? Before we get too carried away, let’s keep in mind that ibb is still an obj’s boy so I view his Umuahia visit with suspicion. Orji should be more careful as these awusa are known to poison away their competitor. Remember, Tunde Idiagbon, Moshood Abiola among others? Orji's supporters should be offended if this rumor is another of his wayo on the people.
”The United States Embassy has debunked reports that the US government has endorsed five candidates...
The United States Embassy has debunked reports that the US government has endorsed five candidates that will succeed President Olusegun Obasanjo in 2007.”
I had the above excerpt in mind when I wrote ” The American hypocrisy should not be ignored since they did be the first to jump ship when push turns to kwacking.” before I ran into it. Igboblood and Talkandoo did fabulously well in debunking this brazen rumor. Happy New Year, Nwa Aro.
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Quote: --------------------- That is not my grouse. The issue is that you change positions so frequently without good cause.---Igboblood. --------------------
Do I need permission from a handle that goes by 'Igboblood' whose Igbo identity has as far as I am concrened NOT been proved beyond reasonable doubt to hold opinions at any given time? And for your information I have not moved an inch from what I said on Orji Kalu about that uncalled for "apology" he made then. I have like the mortal that I am forgiven but not forgoten. Besides, the circumstances under which Orji Kalu made the reported "apology" (the wordings) is not as it was reported as I later learnt. Now dont I have the right to forgive even without a retraction from Orji Kalu?
Quote. -------------------------------- For instance, you castigated Kalu for the apology he tendered + even went on to state that he should NOT be given support for any leadership ambition he may have at the state or federal level.--Igboblood. -------------------------------
Thanks for once giving creidit to whom it is due. Atleast the records shows that I condemned Orji Kalu when HE GOT IT WRONG as I always do on other issues and people when they err. Having said the above, I would advice you and your fellow journeymen/women to stop being mischievious on this issue of Orji kalu's "apology." Because condemning Orji Kalu (which you now admit I did then) for a one-off remark he must have made as a politician under circumstances which was wrongly reported by the Nigerian media is one thing but denying him his God-given and constitutionally-approved RIGHT (it is not a privilege) as a bonafide Nigerian citizen to be elected to the highest office in Nigeria is both morally and constitutional WRONG on your part. To join you in doing the later is like Nwa Aro playing God of which neither you nor I are.
It is therefor on the last point that I TOTALLY and COMPLETELY disagree with you and your hood of opportunists who think they have found in Orji Kalu's reported "apology" the long awaited chance to hang him simply because he doesn't buy into your 'new' Biafra of teritory crap. So quit running circles and be a man by admitting to the world that it is for the later reason more than anything else that you and your fellow 'Biafrans' hate Orji Kalu.
To show how disingenous some of you are, while nonentities like you on BNW who enjoy free postage right are here calling Orji Kalu all sort of names for making an "apology" on Biafra, Chief Ojukwu whom history records as the one with franchise on the word B-I-A-F-R-A is in Nigeria embracing and working privately and openly with same Orji Klau for the betterment of the Igbo people. So now tell us between you internet Biafrans (some of could as well be non Igbos and agent provocatuer for all I care) and Ojukwu who should speak authoritavely on the word 'Biafra' and about the Nigerian civil war? If Ojukwu can forgive Orji Kalu on the said "apology" why are you and your fellow self-proclaimed Biafrans hanging on it and creating a mountain out of an anthill? Please tell, are you or anyone on BNW or anywhere else more Biafran than the achitect and finsher of that word, Chief Chukwuemeka Odimegwu Ojukwu? Why do you internet freaks waste your time crying more than the bereaved and playing the catholic more than the Pope? It is for the above reason that I say without any apology that YOU AND YOUR ILK ARE OPPORTUNISTS AND AGENT PROVOCATUER AT WORST?:
quote: ---------------------------- "Did Governor Kalu really build a mosque to please the Hausas?---Rick. ------------------------
And the self-appointed spokesperson of the cyber-based talkatives on BNW ignorantly answers
Quote: -------------------- He did indeed. If he can do that + also tender an apology for the war in the open, you can just imagine what he says about Nd’Igbo behind closed Northern doors. The bloke is a complete twit.---Igboblood. -------------------
Another hanging on the straws and talking CRAP!
Could Igboblood or anyone on BNW show the world the evidence that shows that only Hausas or non Igbos that troop in and out of the mosque Orji Kalu built in Igboland? Moreover, let the person go futher by also funishing us more FACTS to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the mosque was built to "please" any particular ethnic group. Igboblood, the ball is now in your court to provide us with FACTS and FIGURES to show that only Hausa people or non Igbos for that matter that worship in the said mosque Orji Kalu built.. Young man, ( I can imagine how juvenile you are since you told us in another thread that you are still unmarried) has it ever occured to you that there are Igbos in their thousands, if not millions living in and outside Igboland who practice Islam as their faith? Or do you in your myopic thinking deceive yourself to beblieve that Islam is alien to Ndigbo or to Igboland? BTW, is there any writen law in Igboland or amongst the Igbo people that says that an Igboman/woman should not practice any other religion except christianity? Or that those Igbos who choose to believe in the islamic faith be put to death or be refused the right to worship their God in a mosque in Igboland as the christian Igbo does? Or better still, should they cease to be recognized as ndi- Igbo because they are not christians? Could you tell us the difference between those of you who see nothing good in anyone who doesn't follow or buy your religious and political beliefs from those amajiris in the north who would kill anyone who doesn't blindly follow their Islamic faith?
The other side of the coin which you keep dodging from is that Orji Kalu has also built christian churches in Igboland as he has also done same in the north. Must those churches he built in the north be pulled down or the northerners who worship in it be excorcised from their local community because northern Nigeria is predominantly muslim? You see, when some of you who try to play God come on the Net to decide who should live or die, you are indirtectly giving armour to those who will tomorrow tell you not to build christian churches (or burn same) in their own area. And if we are to go by your lane and sheepish argurment, those amajiris in the north are right when they burn main and kill non christians in their "predominatly" muslim teritory.
Put simply, you and your fellow religious fanatics does not, I repeat, DOES NOT mean well for either the tolerant Igbo people you claim to speak for nor for the world at large. So you NOT haveany right nor are you qualified to come here to preach "freedom" and "justice" to the likes of Nwa Aro. Nwa Aro is too smart for narrow thinking folks like you to hold me in prison in a socalled "group thinking.". Go ask those before you who tried - some through the front door and the more cowardly through decoys - and they will tell you just how independent think Nwa Aro is....And so I will remain till go to the grave!
Quote. ----------------------------- You disagreed with the prediction of the disintegration of Nigeria but agree with the uncorroborated selection of Kalu. Aren’t you just choosing to accept whatever aligns with your current position on issues?--Igboblood. ------------------------------
Agian, I dont just "choose" who to believe or when. Rather, I first read, analyse and then I take a stand. Sure, I did not agree with the socalled "security Report" because it is TRASH, pure and simply. First and formost, a difference should be made of the source of both documents. While the socalled "security report" was from an organization that does not have direct link to the American government (that much White House officials and American senior serving miltary and security officials said when the "report came out,) on the other hand, the International Republican Institute which publicly admited that they are giving support to " some parties" (which is a diplomatic way of saying they are indeed supporting some candidates in the upcoming Nigerian national elections) is the same political group led by America's most gifted fund raiser, Mr. Amsroff (who is presently on trial) that is credited to have helped put George Bush into the White House. So while the former is a grouping of American ex-military officers and soclalled security analysts that are looking for a third world country to distabilize and sell their outdated arms, the latter is a grouping of democratic-minded fellows who are DIRECTLY involved in American politics and who are also DIRECTLY tied to the the powers that be in the Washington..Now you see the difference? It is for the above reason that I didn't waste time to discard the socalled "security report" on Nigeria security and same reason why I bought that of the International Republican Institute.
And come to think of it, what has those who decieved you to believe that Nigeria will "disintergrate" done to help Uwazuruike since he was arrested? If those who told you zombies that Nigeria will fall apart in "fifteen years time" have not said or done anything now that Uwazuike and co are waging a non violent war against Nigeria, what do you think will happen when you and and their blind followers take up arms against Nigeria and get slaughtered in the process? Or are you one of those fools who foolishly believe that Nigeria can be balkanized through "peaceful" and "non violent" means and there wont be massive casualties on the less equiped side? Again, just as I directed you and your fellow zombies at the 'Ojukwu Vs Uwazuruike' thread to go get lessons on international politics, I am once agian sending you guys BACK TO SCHOOL to be thought the rudimentaries on the following subjects: POLITICS, DIPLOMACY and RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE, and I mean the local and international aspect of it.
Quote: --------------------------- Why didn’t you extend New Year wishes my way? Don’t you wish me the best for 2006? --------------------------
My brother, even though I disagree with you on your myopic views on politics and religious intolerance and wouldn't want to live in same neigbourhood (talkless of country) with your type, I nonetheless will NEVER wish you or anyone I disagree with ill; its simply NOT the way my parents brought me up nor the way I bring up my own kids. So I AM HEARTLY WISHING YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES A HAPPY HEALTHY AND VERY SUCCESSFUL 2006!!!
Quote: ----------- Happy New Year, Nwa Aro.---MeBiafran. ------------
Same to you my brother. Please do extend same to your lovely wife and kids. Ditto to everyone on board.
That will do it from my end for now.
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Quote: --------------------- That is not my grouse. The issue is that you change positions so frequently without good cause.---Igboblood. --------------------
Do I need permission from a handle that goes by 'Igboblood' whose Igbo identity has as far as I am concrened NOT been proven beyond reasonable doubt to hold an opinion at any given time? And for your information I have not moved an inch from what I said on Orji Kalu about that uncalled for "apology" he made then. I have rather as the mortal that I am forgiven but not forgoten. Besides, the circumstances under which Orji Kalu made the reported "apology" (the exact wordings is not as was reported by the Nigerian press) as I later learnt. Now, knowing more than I knew then, dont I have the right to forgive even without a retraction from Orji Kalu?
Quote. -------------------------------- For instance, you castigated Kalu for the apology he tendered + even went on to state that he should NOT be given support for any leadership ambition he may have at the state or federal level.--Igboblood. -------------------------------
Thanks for once giving credit to whom it is due. Atleast the records shows that I condemned Orji Kalu when HE GOT IT WRONG as I always do on other issues and people when they err. Having said the above, I would advice you and your fellow journeymen/women to stop being mischievious on this issue of Orji kalu's supposed "apology" for the the role the Igbo played in the Nigerian civil war. Because condemning Orji Kalu (which you now admit I did then) for a one-off remark he must have made as a politician under circumstances which was wrongly reported by the Nigerian media is one thing but denying him his God-given and constitutionally-approved RIGHT (it is not a privilege) as a bonafide Nigerian citizen to be elected to the highest office in Nigeria is both morally and constitutional WRONG on your part. To join you in doing the later is like Nwa Aro playing God of which neither you nor I are.
It is therefor on the last point that I TOTALLY and COMPLETELY disagree with you and your hood of opportunists who think they have found in Orji Kalu's reported "apology" the long awaited chance to hang him simply because he doesn't buy into your 'new' Biafra of teritory crap. So quit running circles and be a man by admitting to the world that it is for the later reason more than anything else that you and your fellow 'Biafrans' hate Orji Kalu.
To show how disingenous some of you are, while nonentities like you on BNW who enjoy free postage right are here calling Orji Kalu all sort of names for making an "apology" on Biafra, Chief Ojukwu whom history records as the one with franchise on the word B-I-A-F-R-A is in Nigeria embracing and working privately and openly with same Orji Klau for the betterment of the Igbo people. So now tell us between you internet Biafrans (some of could as well be non Igbos and agent provocatuer for all I care) and Ojukwu who should speak authoritavely on the word 'Biafra' and about the Nigerian civil war? If Ojukwu can have the big heart to forgive Orji Kalu on the said "apology" why are you and your fellow self-righteous and self-proclaimed Biafrans hanging on it and creating a mountain out of an anthill? Please tell, are you or anyone on BNW or anywhere else more Biafran than the architect and finisher of that word, Chief Chukwuemeka Odimegwu Ojukwu? Why do you internet freaks waste your time crying more than the bereaved and playing the catholic more than the Pope? It is for the above reason that I say without any apology that YOU AND YOUR ILK ARE OPPORTUNISTS AND AGENT PROVOCATUER AT WORST?:
quote: ---------------------------- "Did Governor Kalu really build a mosque to please the Hausas?---Rick. ------------------------
And the self-appointed spokesperson of the cyber-based talkatives on BNW ignorantly answers
Quote: -------------------- He did indeed. If he can do that + also tender an apology for the war in the open, you can just imagine what he says about Nd’Igbo behind closed Northern doors. The bloke is a complete twit.---Igboblood. -------------------
Another hanging on the straws and talking CRAP!
Could Igboblood or anyone on BNW show the world the evidence that would make us agree with you that only Hausas or non Igbos that troop in and out of the mosque Orji Kalu built in Igboland? Moreover, let the person go further to also funish us more FACTS to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the mosque was built to "please" a particular ethnic group. Igboblood, the ball is now in your court to provide us with FACTS and FIGURES to show that only Hausa people or non Igbos for that matter that worship in the said mosque Orji Kalu built.
Young man, (I can imagine how juvenile you are since you told us in another thread that you are still unmarried) has it ever occured to you that there are Igbos in their thousands, if not millions living in and outside Igboland who practice Islam as their faith? Or do you in your myopic reasoning deceive yourself to believe that Islam is alien to Ndigbo or to Igboland? BTW, is there any writen law in Igboland or amongst the Igbo race that says that an Igboman/woman should not practice any other religion except christianity, or that those Igbos who choose to believe in the islamic faith be put to death or be refused the right to worship their God in a mosque in Igboland as their christian counterpart does? Or better still, should they cease to be recognized as ndi- Igbo because they are not christians? Could you tell us the difference between those of you who see nothing good in anyone who doesn't follow or buy your religious and political beliefs from those amajiris in the north who would kill anyone who doesn't blindly follow their Islamic faith?
Come on mate, the other side of the coin which you keep dodging from is that Orji Kalu has also built christian churches in Igboland as he has also done same in the north. Must those churches he built in the north be pulled down or the northerners who worship in it be excorcised from their local community because northern Nigeria is predominantly muslim? You see, when some of you who try to play God come on the Net to decide who should live or die, you are indirtectly giving armour to those who will tomorrow tell you not to build christian churches (or burn same) in their own area. And if we are to go by your lame and sheepish argurment, then it means that those amajiris in the north are right when they burn, main and kill non christians in their "predominatly" muslim teritory up north.
My dear, put simply, you and your fellow religious fanatics does not, I repeat, DOES NOT mean well for either the tolerant Igbo people you claim to speak for nor for the world at large. So I wont mince words to tell you that you are NOT qualified nor do you have any right to come here to preach "freedom" and "justice" to liberated minds Nwa Aro; Nwa Aro is just too smart for narrow thinking folks like you to hold me in prison to some medivial so-called "group thinking." I would suggest you go ask those before you who tried - some through the front door and the more cowardly through decoys - so that they could tell you just how independent minded and broad thinking Nwa Aro is....And so I will remain till I go to the grave!
Quote. ----------------------------- You disagreed with the prediction of the disintegration of Nigeria but agree with the uncorroborated selection of Kalu. Aren’t you just choosing to accept whatever aligns with your current position on issues?--Igboblood. ------------------------------
Agian, I dont just "choose" who to believe or when. Rather, I first read, analyse and then I take a stand. Sure, I did not agree with the socalled "security Report" because it is TRASH, pure and simply. First and formost, a difference should be made of the source of both documents. For while the socalled "security report" was from an organization that does not have direct link to the American government (that much White House officials and some serving American senior miltary and security officials said when the "report" came out). On the other hand, the International Republican Institute which publicly admited that they are giving support to " some parties" (which is a diplomatic way of saying they are indeed supporting some candidates in the upcoming Nigerian national elections) is the same political group led by America's most gifted fund raiser, Mr. Amsroff (who is presently on trial) that is credited to have helped put George Bush into the White House! So while the former is a grouping of ex American military officers and so-called security analysts who must surely be looking for a third world country to distabilize and to sell their outdated arms, the latter is a grouping of democratic-minded fellows who are DIRECTLY involved in American politics and who are also DIRECTLY tied to the the powers that be in Washington. Now you see the difference? It is for the above reason that I didn't waste time to discard the socalled "security report" on Nigeria security and same reason why I bought that of the International Republican Institute.
And come to think of it, what has those who decieved you to believe that Nigeria will "disintergrate" done to help Uwazuruike since he was arrested? If those who told you zombies that Nigeria will fall apart in "fifteen years time" have not said or done anything now that Uwazuike and co are waging a non violent war against Nigeria, what do you think will happen when you and and their blind followers take up arms against Nigeria and get slaughtered in the process? Or are you one of those fools who foolishly believe that Nigeria could be balkanized through "peaceful" and "non violent" means or that there wont be massive casualties on the lesser equiped side? Again, just as I directed you and your fellow zombies who claim to be "intellectulas" at the 'Ojukwu Vs Uwazuruike' thread to go get lessons on international politics, I am once again sending you guys BACK TO SCHOOL to be thought the rudimentaries on the following subjects: NIGERIAN AND INTERNATIONAL
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I see where you are going with this. You want to discredit Scotland Yard before they ‘catch’ Kalu so you can then turn around to say he is being victimised. Nice try mate. E no go work. Try harder!