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"All who betray the present struggle for an Igbo person to be President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria shall stand permanently dishonoured in the entire Igboland and shall die unkempt, unmourned and unsung", the communique of the Igbo Political Summit jointly signed by Oputa and Ojukwu, read in part.
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The only problem with that threat from Ojukwu is that Ojukwu was a closet third term supporter. He was rewarded to give tacit support to third term. Now, he wants Igbo president. Who is fooling whom?
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Osetutu, you shut up. Morons like you are quick to open your mouths and spew non-sense. You have no idea how a Federal system of Government works. Nor do you not know that injecting an economy that is already at high inflation (15 percent+) with even more money is bad economic and fiscal policy. You, Osetutu, are the problem with Nigeria. You are poorly educated and you think Governance boils down to good and bad. Go read a book, you pathetic moron. I swear if people like you were taken outside and shot, Nigeria as a whole will be better off for it.
Ochiwar, look up the definition of Federal System of Government. The most honest and hard working man can be President of Nigeria, and it would barely show on the lives of the average Nigeria if the people he has to work with are corrupt. Afterall, how do you improve the lives of the people when the Governors are not doing what htey are supposed to do? If OBJ pushes the load onto the Federal Government by increasing the already huge amounts of funds that is being spent, you will be the same people complaining when the price of bread goes up from 50 naira to 90 naira within a period of a year. Please pick up an economic book before you make an ass of yourself.
Obj is doing an OK job. I am not his biggest supporter, and like I have said on many occasion, he is did not win the South-West States in 1999, so technically, he is not a Yoruba President. From what I understand, if anything, he is a Northerner because those are the people that put him in power.
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Afeni, The 'Educated'. Please using "Doing" after Obj's name is a disservice to English language.
Unless of course you mean "Shaking of legs" in Agbada is classified as doing where you come from.
Please can you tell us What Obj has done? Then progress to then tell us what within the Do list that can be classified as 'OK'.
And then! Most importantly where and when did Obj who is doing an 'OK Job' with his obvious clear understanding of the federal system learn to work with this system? Which school did he go to? If in your mind he has done an 'OK job' then both of you must have studied the same 'Economic Book'.
Any by the way tell me where they sell that 'Economic book' so that I can go and burn the place down.
Ewu Amala.
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quote:You can't expect 7 years under a federal system (power is divided) to solve what it took over 35+ years of military absolute rule to do. - Afeni
This is no excuse. I remember few years ago in Argentina when no less than three presidents willingly resigned in less than ten months due to their inabilities to fix the economy that was spiraling out of bounds. Not in that awusa Nigeria where an idiot will rather let the whole country burn than resign even after eight years of mismanaging the country’s affairs. The current nigerian aviation minister was a disaster as education minister and instead of getting bumped, was elevated to a higher ministry with the connivance of the corrupt infested assembly. Does that word resignation ever exist in nigerian official gazette?
"At this point, Nigeria needs to split up.” – Afeni
Dead on! It’s the only viable option.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2483 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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The new Secretary of states, Dr.Okonja to clean up the foriegn ministry as she did with the finance department. A department managed by the Hausa in the last 35 years and currently under the management of you guess who? Olusegun Obasanjo has no chairs, letter head, fax machine, copy machine and light bulbs. Talk about leadership.
Nigeria, according to the European Commission to Nigeria is ranked the third poorest nation in the world. ....oooops!where is the leadership, I ask?
The Governor of Edo state, techinically a Yoruba has given the Presidency to the North, according to him, the South/South are not in any shape or form qualified to rule the country or stands as viable candidates for the position.
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Wow, this is great. I can't stop laughing. If this is the future of Biafra, I say go go go go go go go, get lost. Hopefully, people who don't want to leave with the Biafrans will be allowed to stay. These are jokers. They write crap to feel good about themselves, to cover up their inabilities, their failure to effect changes so they reduce all discussions to tribal levels..yet they wake up the next day still in their sorry state.
LONG LIVE BIAFRA! NOT!!!
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Kesu, You seem to be an 'Angry Man'. If it is all so hopeless as you presume here then why the energy (moving from thread to thread)? Or are you here to motivate us into doing something more tangible?
You remind me of an Atheist who got very uncomfortable and even furious when someone sitting next to him in an airplane opened a Bible to read.....the question is why get Mad! at Who? at What?
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Interesting person this Amadi. He takes a matter of significant national issue and turned it into an unprovoked tribal warfare. It is bothersome that he has such level of hate in his small body. The good part of it is that he is generally powerless to actually effect his hatred. The sad thing is that he will die as a Nigerian, damn to be consummed by such a high level of hatred. Biafra, you see, is a pipe dream fom the 60s to the 70s when it had a slight chance of survival and now, well, it only exists in the demented minds!
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Actually, Mr. Osetutu, I am not angry at all. I enjoy coming here. You people always confirm my private feelings about Biafrans.... inordinately boastful, insecure, inferior, spineless, day dreamers,dense lot. As for your analogy about the atheist and the bible reader..common now, you can't be that dull! The atheist pitied the bible reading poor soul, not angry at him. You, sir, needs a thorough self examination. You can't do anything tangible. Biafran was defeated in the 70s and till 2006 all we have heard / read "any time now, any time now" It is tiring but hey, I will give you this: it is entertaining!
LONG LIVE BIAFRA!!! Only in your minds lol.
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We measure "national" progress/issue one tribe in government at a time. In 8years under yoroba leadership, there has been no evidence that yoroba has benefited from the claim of being the "best educated, shofisticated" tribe in Africa. In fact the reverse is the case: The evidence is that in practical terms, yoroba lack the talent/know-how to produce results using run-of-the-mill education it has acquired. In other words, the claim that the yoroba is "best educated" has not shown up in either yoroba management of the nigerian economy or of the people of Biafranigeria since 1999, or indeed since 1967 partnership with awusa/fulani. It has been all mediocre, second rate performance in any field, from diplomacy to economic management. How do you make progress if you don't hold people accountable for their leadership.
Hate? The Igbo is too liberal, competitive and adventurous to hate anyone.
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There you go again Amadi, allowing your insipid tribalism blind you to the reality on the ground: While I am not a fan of Obasanjo because in many way, he has wasted the goodwill of Nigerians who longed for real development in our nation, I dare say he has been better than IBB and Abacha in creating a building block for the next president. Furthermore, Obasanjo is not a yoruba president, in his first coming, he didnt get the yoruba votes. If fact, Obasanjo is in Aso Rock today because of the votes from the East and North.
Aside from that, Mr. Amadi, tell us the truth, this your outburst towards "yoroba" couldn't have something to do with inferiority complex? I mean, lets look at all your writings here, it is always filled with anger towards your fellow citizens. What is the matter brother Amadi. Come let me refer you to a specialist in NY. Certainly you could make your claim( What claim, really!) with less vernom...it is not necessary.
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The yoroba will not be able to distance itself from olusegun obasanjo's record of incompetence and mismanagement in office since 1999. If he had done well, your nation would be all over the place loud-mouthing about "shofisticated" this and that. Unfortunately for yoroba, olusegun obasanjo's inaptitude in high places is now going to be tied around yoroba neck like a sledge hammer, and it will weigh down on any yoroba claim of "best educated, shofisticated" in anything. Sorry.
BTW, we are talking about management and performance on the job, in this case the yoroba presidency as represented by olusegun obasanjo, not hate or tribalism. GEt it right!
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I certainly cant speak for the "yoroba" but hey, look at the history of that nation, they have done more to reinstate democracy in Nigeria than any other nationality. They have done more than the Igbos. What is more, they have continued to champion demiocracy in Nigeria. A look at the class of leading human rights champions in Nigeria confirm this. The "yoroba" spear-headed the fight against the elongation of Obasanjo's term while the Igbos fell over each other supporting it. I mean, Igbo apex organization shamelessly supported third term. Ojukwu was NEVER on record opposed to it!
Furthermore, "yoroba" fought June 12 to stand still without any help from the Igbos or any plan to engage the rest of the nation in ill-concieved war. They have been pioneers in that country whether you like it or not. Their history has been more interesting than that of the Igbos. They built empires stretching from west side of River Niger to the tip of Ghana. They have developed a religion system totally separated, different, and enduring than the ones created outside of Africa. The Christian "yoroba" have Nigerianized Christianity while Igbos remain in the Catholic faith. Look at the major denominations in Nigeria, they are created by "yoroba" Their culture is among the few recognized in the whole world as exhibiting native intelligence. Now that is something. In fact, if the Igboland had been on the west of River Niger, certainly the "yoroba" would have colonized it!
..So Mr. Amadi, whether you like it or not, the "yoroba" have been more sophisticated than the Igbos. Nothing in Igbo's history suggest any air of superiority that you people have claimed. It is this very sick nature of the Igbos that led them to declare war on the rest of the nation and that brought the south south, the Midwest in harms way. Even in total defeat the Igbos see victory!!!
Politically, the Igbos are at a crossroad. They have locked themselves in a corner: rule in 2007 or leave. Come 2007, the man inside Aso Rock will come from the Northern part of the nation and the Igbos will remain where they are, in the Eastern part of Nigeria, locked in by other nationalities. The simple fact is that even in the south south, Igbos are not trusted. I know this first hand, Mr. Amadi.
By the way, when you talk about Obasanjo's sins, please remind yourselves of the sins of the senate presidents from 1999. It is hyprocritical of an Igboman to condemn the whole tribe because of the ineptitude of one man and say nothing of corrupt governors, three corrupt senate presidents and two ministers: Education and Aviation. It is laughable, also, when one is reminded that so far, no serious Igboman or woman has appeared to claim leadership role in Nigeria. In terms of progress, Eastern States have not achieved any milestones. In sum, Igbos have nothing to teach their fellow citizens except how not to fight a losing war and prepare for another.
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What You are talking is giberish. You don't know the history of Nigeria you idiot. Igbos have shed more blood for that kai kai Republic called Nigeria more than any other ethnic group. Go back and read the history of Nigeria you stupid moron. Yes Igbo remain predominantly Catholic so what?. Because Igbos were instrumental in bringing Catholic church to Nigeria. May be you have not heard of Blessed Tansi, The first African Sainthood of Modern time. Listen to yourself you stupid idiot if Igbos were in the west they would have been colonized by the yorobas. May be you have not heard of the 1956 Western House riot. You buffoon you need to pickup a history book and read about Nigeria history.
The june 12 nonsense is not going to earn you any brownie point. Abiola said he can do without Igbos and it blew up on his face. You come to an Igbo Founded forum to spread your Igbo Hatred, why not take your hate mongaring to a yoroba site.
quote: What You are talking is giberish. You don't know the history of Nigeria you idiot. Igbos have shed more blood for that kai kai Republic called Nigeria more than any other ethnic group. Go back and read the history of Nigeria you stupid moron. Yes Igbo remain predominantly Catholic so what?. Because Igbos were instrumental in bringing Catholic church to Nigeria. May be you have not heard of Blessed Tansi, The first African Sainthood of Modern time. Listen to yourself you stupid idiot if Igbos were in the west they would have been colonized by the yorobas. May be you have not heard of the 1956 Western House riot. You buffoon you need to pickup a history book and read about Nigeria history.
The june 12 nonsense is not going to earn you any brownie point. Abiola said he can do without Igbos and it blew up on his face. You come to an Igbo Founded forum to spread your Igbo Hatred, why not take your hate mongaring to a yoroba site. ....Biafra
Biafra, There is probably as many insults contained in the two paragraphs above than i have heard in an entire ghetto-themed rap album. You sometimes give me no choice but to wonder whether you ever stepped into a college, not as a visitor, but as a student. What's new in Kesu's assertions except that it has always been directed at the more suave, urbane, responsible, and classy Yoruba guys who have the misfortune of venturing into this predominantly ibo site. Now that the shoe is on the other leg, your body temperature suddenly rose to unbearable degrees. You surprise me to no end. Truth they say has legs and it has a way of catching up to people. Deal with it! Truth hurts... really bad.
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There is nothing wrong with what Kesu is writing here, in fact I see his views although not new here, as quite refreshing. Kesu please tell us more how the yoruba conquered the whole of west Africa and how they helped ZIK give nigeria her independence.
On the leadership or is it rulership of Nigeria, Kesu please tell us a single person since 1967 who for no other reason we will call a Nigerian military/civilian ruler, performed better than a secondary school labor prefect.
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Refrshing based whose opinion, if what Kesu is writing is his opinion as he feels, that is fine, but to fabricate story in order to slight Igbos, then I have a problem with him. I have kept my cool since he came to this forum with only one agenda to rubbish Igbos. I will not stand for that.
Addy I am not surprised, well truth according to you and Kesu. Please spare us the lectures, I am not here to massage your ego or that of anybody else. Well since you and Kesu want to colonize Igbos, I say go ahead. Your Uncle AWO tried to exterminate us during the war and he did not succeed. Ask the white people who came to Colonize the Igbos how far they faired. You said I insulted Kesu, but you ignored his continous disparaging of Igbo Nation in this forum.
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Esu or whatever you called yourself, if you cant speak for the yorubas,what was all these your vendetta write ups all about. You maligned and condemned entitre ethnic group with your vulgar and in-ept attittude cum - language expression. Yorubas re-instates democracy in nigeria are you dreaming, if thats the case who instilled or installed tribalism in nigeria polity. Yorubas fought for june 12 with out the the help of the igbos, what was Abiola doing in AVUTU OBOWO at LATE DE SAM MBAKWE OF BLESSED MEMORY'S HOME, you are talking about what you don't know any iota of invents that surrounds and led to the demise of june 12 struggle, some of the yoruba elites being the snake they have always been made it sectional struggle at the detriment of ABIOLA and the whole nigerians that voted for him. Agreement was reached with progressive igbos headed by great one DE SAM MBAKWE and the yorubas progressives never to take any appointmet under the interim or Abacha government the snakes we are talking about trust went behind DE SAM and igbo progressives and take up ministerial appointments at the detriment of the igbo progressives DE SAM was furious because the snakes gave him their words and he believed them. BABATOPE, JAKANDE, ONAGORUWA, EDU all these yorubas accepted ministerial positions have you asked them why? i will like to ask you a question. Are yorubas better of than the igbos at the present day nigeria as per 20 pounds given to the igbos after the war. Igbo elites politicians of today are nothing but highway robbers, i will be the first to roast them alive if i have the chance, but your elevation of yorubas as harbinger of intellectual conglomerate is nothing but balderdash, they have control of nigeria burreaucrats since they sabotaged the igbos early 60s why cant they move the economy forward. Yorubas spear headed the fight against elongation of third term, who was the architect of the elongation, are you in another planet or what, i'm watching the ibadan-lagos press axis isn't it obvious they have tribalism blood running in their veins, they have kept quiet and mute since one of their kinsman took over the presidency what an irony. I SIDON DEY LOOK when another tribe take over the presidency what your press will do or say, before i forget what caused and led to the civil war are still in existence, eastern minorities supported nigeria why are they still fighting their master nigeria or have their elites regained their senses and saw what the igbos have been talking about almost 50 yrs ago, good for them, igbos are not sabotaging their movement thats the difference b/w us and them. Enahoro has he repented or what (quote igbos are not trusted go tell that to Ojukwu AND De Sam about their trusted ally a.k.a snakes of the west) Yoruba built empires westside of the river to the tip of ghana are you kidding me but they forgot kwara state. Christian yorubas have nigerianized chritianity with starving of harmless civilians during the civil war, with bible on their left hand and juju on their right hand give me break about religion please. One thing with me i don't like to generalise or castigate the whole entire race or ethnic groups. We have evil men in either side masquerading as leaders, yoruba, igbos, hausa fulani or minorities, when poor or average nigerians and biafra stop fighting each other there won't be a war booty to be shared by the elites of each ethnic group. Abiolas won't have a problem visiting the iwuanyanwus or babangidas or orjis of this world, so stop this elevation of the yorubas as holier than thou, forget about building empires, history is sometimes what you make of it or what you wanted it be at a particular given time to suit a purpose it could be challenged or re-written. Abiola was killed by the hausa fulani cabal, i wonder why the yorubas elites didn't fight them as they promised i'm still waiting don't let me wait in vain please, atleast the igbos fought, without some western worlds and arabs backing nigeria do you really think that nigeria would have defeated the igbos? why don't you ask the men who fought.
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How does one measure yoroba superiority? It certainly isn't by yoroba empty claims of "shofistication" in this and that or yoroba say-so. Everybody already knows that yoroba is given to pompos, colorful hyperbole, best seen in owambe parties when yoroba disrespects money, the basis of human ingeniuty, by speading it around in a child-like manner. It has to be a backward, childish and crude culture surrounding Gowon's regine in the '70s that allowed him to announce that nigeria's only problem was how to spend money. This in a filty third world country with no clean running water, no sewage systems, where yoroba tribesmen ease themself in city corners in full view of everyone, for lack of public bathroons. This very administration was surronded by elite yoroba advicers like obafemi awolowo who provided the "shofisticated" intellectual force that drove all economic and social policies during the period. Yet nigeria has nothing to show for the leadership that the yoroba provided; the country cannnot even make a bicycle spoke. However, during this period more prudent, Igbo/Biafran-like Asians were at work designing economic strategies to build their industrial base and increase the standard of living for their people. But in Africa, the "best educated, shofisticated" yoroba and their awusa/fulani masters, were busy announcing to the entire world that they had owambe naira notes to spread around. These certainly are the cultures that give Africa the bad, backward reputation it has earned around the world!
Now the best way to see the distinction between nigeria under yoroba management and the can-do Igbo/Biafrans is to compare Biafra and nigeria in the period between 1967 to '70. I am not going to belabor this issue discussed elsewhere on this board, but the categories to evaluate are indegenous industrial development, indegenous technology, productivity of citizens and the organization of society.
After this evaluation, the yoroba should shot up and enjoy its undue advantages in the corrupt patronage nigerian system bought by Biafran oil wealth and know-how, that has given a typical backward African culture like the yoroba a platform and an undue advantage to even try to compare itself with Igbo/Biafran.
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Thank you very much, June 12 June 12, Didn't Shonekan who is from the same village with Abiola accepted the interim President Position. The Yorubas went behind to accept Ministerial position from Abacha, while Igbos were busy fighting Abacha. Talk about intellectual culture Mr Esu, Obasanjo is from the same State with Abiola didn't he reap the benefit of that June 12?.
Intellectuals check their history they have always been tribal, yes the fight for democracy only when it suits and benefits them. Tell me one yoruba intellectual who has been able to form a political party that command National appeal. Pre Independence, of early 1950, it was Action Group, founded by Awo which ruled the west up the 1965. 1978 Unity Party of Nigeria again by Awo, for yorubas by Yorubas. When UPN couldn't win beyond old Bendel State, the Ibadan Lagos Press axis went to war, against anybody who will say anything about Awo. Even these Abiola who is now a saint was villified by Ibadan Lagos axis because he supported NPN. Contrast that with NPP with Zik it controlled Southeast and part of the North, the old Plateau State and many areas of River State and Cross River State. Fast forward to 1998, the G34 later became PDP formed by Dr Alex Ekwueme, today hijacked by Obasanjo. AD was formed by Afenifere for yorubas by Yorubas.
Now tell me where the Yorubas built this your empire they are going to use to colonize Igbos. Like I said Esu and Addy go and pickup a copy of history books before you come here with your chest pumping. Chief Awo was jailed by an Awusa but was released from prison by an Igbo leader. What did Igbos get in return, a double cross and behind the back of accepting Finance minister and starving Igbo children to death. Who is reaping where they did not sow here. Is the same people whom their leader came out of prison to bite the finger that fed him. Not once but twice. Awo did it, Obasanjo did it. So tell me where are the yorubas fighting for this democracy you talked about. Ekwueme risked his life under Abacha while Abiola ran to exile. where is this democracy fight, only when one of their own is not in power.
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The way you guys handle history is as deplorable as you handle fact about Igbos. Mr. Biafra, the name is KESU, don't take liberty with my name as you do your history and your capability. As for yoruba history, I am sure you must have heard about the Oyo Empire...nobody ever heard of Enugu Empire! If you attended high school in Nigeria I am sure, even in Igboland, not Biafra, there couldnt be any schooling in that dungeon, you must have studied some Nigerian history and if u did, you couldnt have missed Oyo Empire.
Now, as for Zik and NPP. Wow, as usual, the Igboman is selectively mindful of fact. NPP was already formed before Zik was brought in. As a matter of fact, Chief Agbaje met his death on that trip. I still remember vividly when he (Zik) complained that he was asked to pay taxes because he was Igbo! Ordinary I respect the honorable man. He is(was) way above cheap tribal nonsense that we see here today and I feel ashamed that he is even mentioned in this issue. Zik was head above Awolowo as a Nigerian, a nationalist. In fact, there has never been a Nigerian like him since his death. It is shameful that some in Igboland have found it a simple matter to demolish his home. May God punish those responsible.
Anyway, Igbos never fought Abacha. I was deeply involved in the opposition to Abacha's government and with the exception of about 5 great Igbo minds, majority saw the opposition to Abacha as a Yoruba fight. As part of June 12 until Saro Wiwa was murdered. As for Ekwueme, please dont make me slap you. Those who fought Abacha were either in prison, dead, or in exile. Pa Enahoro,Ralph Obiora etc left the country while Ekwueme was busy making money until it became fashionable to fight Abacha and even then, he was part, he did not create it, of this group of 34 who took the less confrontational stance after many have been thrown in the gulag.
As for yorubas fighting for democracy, I can give you 10 names of people in the forefront of defense of democracy and human rights and none of them is/was Igbo: Gani Fawehinmi never fought for himself or for yoruba causes, same as late Beko Kuti, Wole Soyinka, late Fela Kuti, Femi Falana, late Adegbenro, late Herbert Macurley, Late Chief Adeniran Ogunsanya, Col Umar, Balarabe Musa.
As for people coming out of prison to reap some benefit all I can say is that Igbos get the short end of the stick because again, they are not sophisticated. When things don't go their way, they sing war songs. Nobody trust a war monger! Ekwueme could have been the next inline to be president of the nation. He was part of the deal that gave the presidency to Obasanjo( Obasanjo was hausa and Igbo candidate) He was to wait his turn, but he allowed himself to be rubbished by IBB. The poor man even went to Minna to declare his candidacy! His village was probably too small for that event! While IBB was a pariah in Nigeria, some Igbo leaders decided
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