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HAMAS has defeated Al-fatah in parliamentary elections in Palestine. This shows that the dark agenda of Israel has failed to destroy the will of the people of Palestine.
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Great for them! Of course the Great State of Israel is not shivering over this, the violent character of the winning organization will be their doom. And that's my bet. Imagine that an area in perpetual turmoil could organize a fair and ‘peaceful’ election yet in that elephant good for nothing country that goes by nigeria despite their oneness claim, no such thing is ever seen. The only election that was acclaimed to be fair and won by M.K.O. was rendered ineffective and negated. Hopefully some of these one-nigeria apologists will begin to see their follies without shoving it down their oblongata.
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I detect a great deal of frustration, and a subtle threat to assassinate the democratically elected leaders of Palestine. What else is new? After all, Yizak Shimir and Menachim Begin were terrorists who were later treated as statesmen by HAMASophobes around the world.
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quote:I detect a great deal of frustration, and a subtle threat to assassinate the democratically leaders of Palestine.
Nope! As usual, you got it wrong, I'm instead mocking your country of origin, nigeria whose dishonesty and flagrant abuse of law and order never lets it organize election that would pass the muster point. You missed that, huh? It's ok by you to sustain hamas' call for the extermination of State of Israel?
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The outcome from the Palestinian election shows that Democracy is not for all nations. The Islamic fundamentalist have the support of majority of the people in the muslim world. if majority should carry the day in Islamic countries, the world should be ready for more chaos and violence. From Saudi Arabia to Egypt, Islam is a violent religion and real adherent know this.
This should serve as a big lesson to the US and others wishing to export wersten style democracy to the Islamic world
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Suddenly this thing has shifted from Palestinians election and the nigeria now you see it, now you don’t ‘elections’ to who again? Is this not about countries anymore? Does the word ELECTION mean something in the country you hail? Obviously not!
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I disagree, there is nothing wrong with what has happened so long as Hamas did not rig or intimidate people to vote for them.
However every democratic decision has consequences and hopefully the Palestinians were aware of how their decision would be interpreted by the sane world. Let Hamas declare an Islamic state and send their people back to medieval times if the wish, but under no circumstance can they threaten the security of their neighbours. Any group of people who wish themselves a primitive existence should be allowed to have it, but Hamas must also make sure the level playing field that brought them into power remains unchanged.
If the intention however is to wage war against Israel, then let no one shed tears for the so called Palestinians when they get what they have coming to them.I don't see how this would be of any concern to Israel especialy since Sharon had begun the journey down unilateralism effectively rendering the choice of the Palestinians irrelevant.
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My position is that America should read the handwriting on the wall before trying to export democracy to others. The election in (ordinary) Palestine was peaceful, free and fair. But a whole nija, can not even convene a free and fair election.
The overall ramification is that Hamaz will insist on not dealing with Israel and may collude with the crazed Iranian leader to bring harm to Israel. That day will be the day that Iran and Palestine will cease to exist. This will then propel other Islamic nations to join hands in condemning and plotting to overun Israel, undo the US and spearhead Russia and china actually take a stand.
Here comes Amargedon!
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I share your sentiments Chiboy. Hamas seems to have won a free and fair election - perhaps the only free and fair election in the history of the Arab world. If the democratically elected government of Palestine choose war over peace, then good luck to them. It will be a disaster if the USA tries to undermine the new Palestinian government when it freely deals with the gown wearing despots of Saudi Arabia. Perhaps, they should learn from history. For example, the West stopped the Islamists in Algeria forming a government in the early 1990s after they won an election and by so doing plunged the country into unending bloodshed. A lot of the Islamists made their way to London and Paris and hardly any terror prosection concludes without disclosure of important role played by the Algerian Islamists.
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Hammas may have been elected as the super power broker, but their economy is heading to hell as we speak for the follwing good reasons; their failure to respect Isreal as a nation and being the world's most certifiable TERRORISTS.
If their version of democracy is rule by the barrel of the gun, they do not represent the well being of their people. They must respect isreal's right to exist otherwise no aids. Hammas may have to get some tips from Irish Republican Army who consulted with African National Congress [ANC] for non violent approach for peace. The economy is what matters stupid.
Hail Biafra
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Democracy is good for all what should rather be said is western democracy which assumes that a political party will conform to decent rules does not belong there. These what am I gonna call them whose insistence on seeing the end of the Great State of Israel even when they know that the entire arab world couldn’t even if they try, disqualifies them as genuine. God as they say works in mysterious circumstances as evident by this election of people whose charter clearly stated that Israel must be extinguished. How they plan on achieving this crazy goal, I don’t know, but one thing is clear nothing further would be heard about the so-called road map to statehood for Palestine for sure. Personally, I’m glad hamas won this way no further negotiation will be seen. Let them bring whatever they got on!
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I know the Palestinians are happy today that the "great satan" has given then democracy on a plater of gold, something that is anathema to their religion and culture. Now they don't have to live under the "gown-wearing" islamic mullas as in kuwait and saudi arabia.
I wish the "great satan" can now turn its attention to the other gown-wearing cultures in control of nigeria to liberate Biafra. America can keep the oil and pay only tax on profit, so long as the Biafrans are allowed to keep their business culture and manage their own progress.
No need to fear the victory of Hamas; they would be digging a hole for their economy if they misuse their democracy against the state of Israel.
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Of course it is only a fool that would expect the Palestinians not to vote Hamas. Let us briefly look at the issues here:
Fatah the pre eminent pary, we have been told several times in the past is riddled with corruption. The Palestinians may just as well been voting to to kick out a corrupt party.
On another note, Fatah has been pursuing a Western backed peace process with Isreal which the palestinians have had little to show for. They could have voted for another way forward.
From the Isreali point of view, this is a good result. The Peace process can now go forward. You can only talk peace with your enemies and not those who agree with you. Now any agreement with people who send the suicide bombers is more likely to hold unlike if Hamas were excludes and also any concessions made by the Palestinians would not be interpreted as having sold out in view of Hamas' hardline stance with Isreal. Compare this with the USA where all lasting agreements with the Communist were made by extreme right Presidents, who were less likely to be accused of having sols out to the reds.
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Voting does not define democracry, what defines democracy is the preservaton of human right, respect of liberties of the people and the spirit of better quality of life for the people. Hamas ain't got that swing. Democracy is not about Hamas.
I suggest America force them to their knees by freezing their ass,[asserts] that ought to make them think twice about violence against Isreal. The pressure is on Hamas, the Arab bastards and the world is watching.
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There was an election, Hamas won the election, and like what Bush said after his reelection, Hamas won a political capital and they have the right to spend it as they deem fit.
It is hypocritical for Bush to think he can decide for the Palestine people who are the right people to lead them. He better be ready to deal with them as the elected government of the Palestinian people or he can go kiss Yasin butt in the grave.
I am not sure whether Hamas have any political capital to spend. If Bush and EU cut off aid, then their economy will be going to hell as waypoint said.
So, do you suggest the election should be cancelled because Bush cronies did not win? It is a good way for my adopted country to learn that there is nothing call “fits all” in democracy, and that is one of the lessons we are learning in Iraq, but because of sheer arrogance or stupidity we do not want to accept that there are countries where democracy are not meant for.
America itself is not practicing democracy, yet we want to force it on others. Things do not work that way. Advil does not give relief to everyone that has headache, some have to use Tylenol, and some Aleve, and that is the way it should be when it comes to solving problems that is confronting different nations. Different people, different solutions.
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The Palestinians are supported to a large extent by humanitarian economic aid. Fattah was running the show under Arafat( when he was alive). As we now know, there was widespread corruption and unaccountability in how the Palestinians resources were being used. When he died and was replaced, Fattah still had not made the necessary changes.
At this time, on the fringes, lurked Hamas preaching hatred towards the Jews and sponsoring suicide attacks on Israel. As a matter of fact, their extremism was of the caliber of Iranian president Maddude Am-in-de-jihad who not only denies the Holocaust, but also preaches the total extermination of the state of Israel.
So, while Hamas preached that Israel was the center of their woes, they also rejected offers or attempts at securing peace. Whenever it seemed that Arafat was making any headway in negotiations, the Hamas wing of the Palestinian consciousness would unleash a deadly wave of suicide attacks to prompt Israeli reprisals.
It would seem therefore that Hamas was confused. They decry Israeli power, they appealed to the emotions of the palestinian street and presented themselves as victims of Zionist geo-political manipulations. But at the same time, they weren't interested in an end to such mutual violence. They weren't interested in having their own state, nor were they indeed interested in the two-state solution ( the free country of Palestine co-existing peacefully with their jewish neighbors) being proposed by Europe and America. It seemed that Hamas was simply an extension of Arab hate towards the Jews.
The strongman of Palestinian politics, Arafat, is dead. His replacement somehow manages to work out something with Sharon, a hardliner. Against the wishes of majority of his party, against the wishes of most Israelis, to the shock of even his American allies, indeed even at the greatest risk to his career, Sharon unilaterally cedes land to the palestinians in a gesture of goodwill. Sharon turned the Israeli military on Jews to accomplish the pullout and suddenly it seemed as if Arafat's replacement might be able to accomplish what Arafat couldn't do for years. Again, Hamas was back on the scene. A few attacks on Israel (despite the fact that Sharon bent over backwards in the name of peace) will undoubtedly weaken Sharon politically.
With no strong figure like Arafat in the Fattah faction to counterbalance the emotional appeal to radicalism by Hamas, this terrorist organization manages to win the recent elections. I am certainly not surprised, neither do I condemn Palestinians for voting Hamas into power.
However, let us keep an eye on Hamas to see if they will now change their violent approach or perhaps, denounce some of their extreme persuasions. They are no longer a fringe organization supposedly fighting for Palestinian causes. They are now expected to lead the Palestinians. There is no need pointing out that when nations interact or pursue some policies with Hamas now, the actions of these nations will undoubtedly impact the lives of ordinary Palestinians. If Hamas attacks Israel for example, it would no longer be the action of some resistance groups in Palestine, but the conscious decision of palestinian people.
For the life of me, I don't understand why Hamas doesn't realize that her position on the existence of the state of Israel is much like a weaker fighter refusing to let go of his much stronger opponent. We go see sha.
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