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One of the proposals for the 6th State in Southeast is Anioma people and part of Anambra State. Currently, Asaba in Anioma serve as the capital of Delta State, an oil producing State. Anioma, being part of an oil producing State, and being an Igbo speaking area has not seen much economic development talkless of being carved out as the 6th Southeast State in conjunction with parts of Anambra. That will be suicidal for my people. We are minorities in Delta and at least with an economic base. Anyway, the proposal will not work as my people (Anioma) will not go for it.
Will the said parts of Anambra State agree to retain the Capital at Asaba or somewhere else in Anioma area?
Look, just leave my people where there are now in Delta. There is a natural boundary already created by river Niger. If anioma State is to be created, it should be separate and distinct from any of the States in the Southeast.
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quote:Originally posted by Rick: We are minorities in Delta and at least with an economic base. Anyway, the proposal will not work as my people (Anioma) will not go for it.
Rick:
I don't care about state creation. But, are you sure you are really Igbo and from Anioma? I am just wondering how Nd'Igbo went from being a majority in the old Midwester Region to being a minority in Delta State, which was carved out of the old Midwest? Dennis Osadebey must be turning in his grave.
WHO ARE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN AGITATING FOR ANIOMA STATE? YOUR PART OF ANIOMA OR PART OF ANAMBRA STATE AND WHY WOULD YOU LIKE TO STAY IN DELTA AS A MINORITY FOR ITS ECONOMIC BASE RATHER THAT BE PART OF YOUR PEOPLE'S CULTURAL HERITAGE?
WHAT DISTINCTION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? LOOK, MY FRIEND, YOU ARE FULL OF GARBAGE. TRY SOMETHING ELSE.
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What my people are looking for now is to serve as Governor of Delta State and not be made part of the 6th State of the Southeast.
There will be no economic future for my people should such a union materializes. The 6th State of Southeast should be carved out from Southeast.
This is not about culture but about economic survival. Why should we leave an oil producing State to a non-producing one? Forget about ethnity/culture/heritage. When it comes that,our people know where they belong.
Everyday, we see pictures of the streets of the commercial center of Anambra (Onitsha) not tarred. Who then is going to cross the Niger River to see what is going on in Anioma should such a State materializes.
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I read your post + wondered why this is such an issue.
quote: Anyway, the proposal will not work as my people (Anioma) will not go for it.
Did ‘your people’ agree to become part of Delta State as we know it? Part of a State comprising others they have little in common with? Since when did what the people want count for anything in that country?
quote:Will the said parts of Anambra State agree to retain the Capital at Asaba or somewhere else in Anioma area?
Rather than worry about the location of the capital, shouldn’t you be more concerned about an arrangement where your people will have a voice? Shouldn’t you be more concerned about the lot of your people being improved? By your own admission, “Currently, Asaba in Anioma serve as the capital of Delta State” , yet, “has not seen much economic development”. So, the location of a State capital does not guarantee development as you can see.
Moreover, if the said State comes to fruition, on what basis should the capital be in Anioma? On the basis of oil wealth, sentiment, good sense, centrality, what? Brother, you need to advance your arguments. I believe that if these stand in the face of testing, your position will receive support. To get that support however, you need to demonstrate that your agitation is in the interest of all concerned whether they are Anioma or Anambra. Remember nwa nne, we are all Igbo + what affects one affects the others.
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quote: What my people are looking for now is to serve as Governor of Delta State and not be made part of the 6th State of the Southeast.
Will that guarantee development?
quote:There will be no economic future for my people should such a union materializes
Is there an economic future for your people now?
quote:This is not about culture but about economic survival.
Forget about ethnity/culture/heritage.
In these words lie the problem of the Igbo + the success of our oppressors. If you are unaware, it is our culture/ethnicity/heritage that accounts for the victimisation we suffer. If you are unaware, the Anioma will always be Igbo in the eyes of our oppressors however hard they attempt to distance themselves from their roots.
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Who is telling you that Anioma is not Igbo? That is not the issue. This issue is that should Anioma need or want a State, it should be separate and distinct from Southeast. And, currently, the people of Anioma are nolonger agitating for a State. We want to be part of the Delta State.
Yes, an Anioma Governor of Delta State will bring development to the area. Delta State receives the highest allocations. It will trickle down to Anioma area one day. What is it that is going to trikle down with being part of the Southeast? Is it the constant demand for sovereign State of Biafra when the reality on the ground has shown that it is not worth the effort.
We are look forward when Nigeria will be restructured into six zones whereby each zone will retain its resources and pay an agreed amount to the center. When that come, our people will continue to be part of the Southsouth.
Again, it boils down to economic survival. Why has the North not gone yet? Why did the North reject 25% derivation? Umaru Dikko has an answer for you.
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No, my dear man. Umaru Dikko’s answer was for you actually. You need to better deconstruct these issues. You highlight the practice of the North which is based on greed + then expect the same Northern elements to have the best interest of Anioma at heart. Doesn’t derivation affect the Anioma people directly? Based on the premise of economic survival, how in the world do you expect the same North to agree to an arrangement where resources are retained by the zones? You expect them to allow you keep 100% of oil revenue + pay an ‘agreed amount’ to the centre when they wouldn’t even let you have a measly 25%?
Subconsciously you realise that based on the ideals of economic survival which you advocate + which the North has perfected (hence your question: ‘Why has the North not gone yet?’), it is simply an untenable concept. That’s why you have taken to comforting yourself. Indeed, your entire position is crystallized in this one statement: " Delta State receives the highest allocations. It will trickle down to Anioma area one day " . Yeah, continue to hold your breath.
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Rick Your argument doesn't make sense, as much as I don't think we need another new State in the Southeast to be viable, I also don't agree with you that being a part of oil producing State will cure all your ills. Abia and Imo are both oil producing State, and yet there is nothing to show for it. Asaba use to be known for her textile, asbestos and ceramic just as Owerri used to known for Leather and headquarter for shell oil company industries way before the war. yet because of oil these industries are now jokes.
The dreams both Dennis Osadebe and M.I. Okpara achieved for our people are nothing but a memory today. With short sighted thinkers like you, no wonder our people are still living under abject poverty. Japan and many other technologically developed countries and world economic powers doesn't have a drop of oil. Today you can't dial Dell or any other computer company for techsupport help without speaking to somebody in India. President Bush is visiting India this week. India doesn't have a drop of oil, yet she is an emerging technological power. Please Rick Igbos have enough myopic leaders and thinkers that we don't need you to increase that number.
Ohaneze is also very stupid, that the only reasonable thing they can demand in a conference like that is state creation. How stupid, Onye ulo ya na eree oku ona achu oke. Odikwa egwu for the so called Igbo leaders.
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Okay, Is Anioma better of where they are now or being part of the new 6th State proposal of the Southeast? I do not speak for the whole of Anioma. For me, I say no to being part of that proposal.
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Rick My arguement is not in favor or disfavor of the new state, I don't care where you group Anioma or whether there is even a need for another State. My argument with you is on the Statement that you want to be a part of an oil producing state. I say whether Igbos have 10 states or one state, our problem is not in the number of state. Our Problem is projecting future less dependent on oil and more on future technology that will be the wave of the future.
Ghana have made a successful transition from Gold to a viable economic not dependent on natural resources. That is what my gripe with you is all about.
Is there any part of Nigeria that is currently going high tech? Hell no. As long as every State of the Nation depends on free lunch, nothing will change.
Until the change comes, you and I will be here speaking big grammar. Let Nigeria be restructured and we will all go from there.
Take the people of the old Biafra for example, they have been calling for an independent State of Biafra. Who is stopping then from turning the existing 5 States of the Southeast into another small India, another small Indonesia or another small Taiwan? If the former giant Southeast cannot, who will under the current set up in Nigeria?
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Anxiety grips Urhobo, Ijaw political leaders By Emma Amaize Posted to the Web: Thursday, March 02, 2006
WARRI — THERE is anxiety among political leaders from the Urhobo, Ijaw, Itsekiri and Isoko ethnic groups in Delta State over an alleged prejudiced alliance between the Anioma people of the state and their fellow Igbo in the South-East towards producing Igbo governors in the state and the entire old Eastern region in 2007. Leader of the Isoko Political Summit (IPF), Chief James Otobo who confirmed the development while briefing journalists said that the representatives of the four ethnic groups met on February 2nd to discuss “the emerging worrisome political development in our Delta State vis-à-vis our brothers and sisters, that is Anioma/Ibo in the Delta North Senatorial District.
“It has become public property,” he said, “that in recent weeks or months, the Igbo national ethnic group in furtherance of their political interests and economic well-being would appear to be aggressively identifying with their kith and kin in our Delta North Senatorial District to the extent that they have publicly announced their intention (and they are entitled to do so) to have in due course, Igbo governors not only in the present South-East geo-political zone of five states, but also in a hoped-for sixth South-East State, in a hoped-for successful candidate in our Delta North Senatorial District in addition of course to the present governor of Rivers State who is widely assumed to be Igbo. The four ethnic groups (Urhobo, Itsekiri, Ijaw and Isoko) are continuing to keep a watchful political eye on that emerging scenario which has links with the third term agenda.''
''the South-South presidential agenda and the purported South-South/South-East political accord with the intention of the Isoko, Ijaw and Itsekiri to produce the state governor in 2007 and other ancillary matters,” he said.
ing that, “the governor understood our misgivings and agreed to continue to keep him informed of developments”. Commenting on the third term agenda, he said: “Both the governor and the Isoko political leadership are in complete accord following the uninhibited frankness in our viewpoints. We are glad to inform you the press and hence the nation that His Excellency, Governor James Onanefe Ibori and the Isoko national leader, Chief James Otobo (my humble self) have, based on Isoko ethnic group’’s interest and on Delta state’’s overall interest, which the Delta state governorship personifies, agreed not to disagree with President Obasanjo’’s much-touted intention to have another term of four years in the prevailing national political circumstances””. ““This means, for the avoidance of doubt, that His Excellency, President Obasanjo (who is also the effective leader of PDP as a national party) should be enabled at the Delta state level by our state governor and by the Delta state House of Assembly to obtain the necessary vote to effect the enabling legislative amendment to the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, it being noted that the Speaker and two other legislators are of the Isoko ethnic group””, Chief Otobo asserted.
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You see if it quack like a duck and wack like a dock is a duck. It doesn't matter what State you find yourself or what political zone you find yourself. If you are Igbo Nigerians will gang against you.
Anioma being Igbo, is the reason we are calling on our big brothers of the Southeast to put their houses in order. In the Southeast, some want Biafra and some want to remain in Nigeria. The late Fela will say "Confusion".
Let Colonel Achuzia of Anioma, the seceretary of or some kind of "post" to Ohaneze just leave our people alone for the time being until the dust settles.
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Rick, step back, take a deep breathe then come back. You're getting slightly off. Is the agitation for Biafra the reason why the awusa governments aided by the Yoroba have remained against the Igbo progress? If you answer is affirmative you're required to tell us the reason for the annihilations of Igbo lives and properties in awusa land going back to the 40s? Mind you Biafra was an idea that sprung up two decades later from the numerous follow-up killings of Ndiigbo in awusa areas. The “confusion" you talk about is with folks like you whose fidelity towards any Igbo cause is badly abyss. When you and others who think your nigeria is the answer give support that is full and total to your brothers quest for freedom from the present contaminated environment, no guessing what the result will be, new nations would be born. What you decide to call that new nation will be up to the emerging nations. What’s wrong with that?
quote:Take the people of the old Biafra for example, they have been calling for an independent State of Biafra. Who is stopping then from turning the existing 5 States of the Southeast into another small India, another small Indonesia or another small Taiwan? If the former giant Southeast cannot, who will under the current set up in Nigeria? – Rick
The answer to this easy question is easy. Whoever closed down the efulefu james nwobodo’s Savannah Bank even though it was not insolvent remains the major hindrance to Igbo desire to turn their land into an African Japan. Same folks you look up to for direction who are responsible for Ibeto’s closure despite the many jobs it provides will not see my people excel. Although I’m not by stretch an orji kalu fan yet his business ventures has suffered untold amount of hardship despite its viability under the people (nigeria) you’re a proud part of. As of today we’re yet to be let in on what constituted the emergency to close Slok airlines, was the airlines a security risk or lacked proper maintenance record which was it? And the list goes on but for want of time the above will suffice. Now, my dear Igbo brother (I’m assuming since you are here/Igbo and there/Not from the highlighted contradictory statements of yours down here), I don’t care one way or the other for creation of states in any part of that incensed country especially in Igbo area. The much created so far are source of pain for the people we were told would benefit from them thereby relegating in my view the idea for more states to the background. One wonders what you had in mind when you accordingly stated ”Who is telling you that Anioma is not Igbo?” then tumbled with, “should Anioma need or want a State, it should be separate and distinct from Southeast.” If Anioma is Igbo then explain to me how you intend to reconcile your wish for the creation of new state that would be “separate and distinct from Southeast”/IGBO? What manner of language is that, my brother???
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One of the reasons for State creation is to avoid "X" from swallowing "Y." The issue here, is not who is Igbo or not. But the issue is: are the people of Anioma better of where they are now or join parts of Anambra to form the 6th State of the Southeast?
The Niger River forms a psychological natural boundry which the people of Anioma cannot afford. With such a natural boundary, our people will be cut off that it will appear that they are not even part of the new proposed State.
Currently, we are part of South-south geopolitical zone with tremendous amount of economic resources located in the zone. Who runs away from food to face hunger? What the people of Anioma need now is to serve as the next Governor of Delta State and not be carved out to the Southeat.
Finally, Aniomas are Igbos and nothing will change that.
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Obasanjo's third term constitutional review team has recommended 25% derivation to Southsouth, 6th State to Southeast,life immunity for Obasanjo and no immunity for Vice President and Governors.
With 25% derivation, is there any reason people of Anioma should go? I don't think so. Again, our people are fine in Delta State.
The people of Kwara State are Yorubas but they have decided to just be Kwara in their present location with affinity to both Hausa (North) and Yoruba (West). And, this makes them unique. The people of Anioma should also maintain such unique status. That is, affinity to both East and West of the Niger.
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I am stunned that some people refuse to see why folks like me scream for Biafra despite their adamant and unnecessary opposition. The reasons given for the creation of Anioma or any other state is the same excuse we the bonafides have for craving for a “distinct and separate” country of Biafra from nigeria that is known worldwide as CORRUPTION, INC. Now what? The issue is not the aspiration of a minority group to have a governor from their vlge., but that of the total welfare and developmental needs of all people of that papaya country which has never been the concern of the awusa led governments and that of obasanjo. The word natural boundary is being overused here as many other avatars exist that could form a boundary yet does not seem to be an issue. Is the Niger River the only waters in nigeria and worldwide that form a slight demarcation between a family? In Lagos alone, there exist so many rivers (Carter, Eko, Third Mainland so forth) and going by the natural boundary yardstick each of these rivers/bridges should form a “distinct and separate” state from Lagos. Now that’s amusing. After the terrible experiences of nigerian people in the hands of governors who are sons of the different red, muddy, dusty and tattered soils and not strangers to their needs, it shocks me that people would still agitate for a governor from their immediate family as if they’re unaware of how every governor since 1999 jettisoned the aspiration of their people by stealing the monies that could have developed their states. Are there any guarantees that a governor from Anioma town proper would not be business as usual? Until corruption is arrested I take the opposing view that nothing good will come out of the wicked robbers that abound. Until law and order starting from anineh is restored any dreams of having decent governance remain that, dream. I don’t see how learned people could miss the tale tell signs of what their problems are, state creation is not the issue, good and equitable governance is and until the restoration of order nothing useful may be achieved. Let me digress a little, currently you have all manners of corrupt governors fighting for a super mediocre to go on forever ruining that nation in the hopes that they too would eternally remain governors. This is a very selfish way of doing things since there is no guarantees that obasanjo who’s not known for his good virtues, never respected his words, would keep any promises made to them. Moreover with his adamant request for life immunity just for him alone, I predict it will take less than six months after they smuggle him for the third and perennial time for these stupid governors to be removed one after the other. This illustration is used to show that CORRUPTION!! is the underlining factor retarding the country and holding decent folks back not more local government or state creations.
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Hi Rick, I find your pattern of thought quite interesting. I thought that by now our brothers over the Niger have come round from years of psychological bullying from nigeria.
5 years ago I would have excused your thinking but not anymore.
The best I can do for you now is to inform you that you will need to 'Renew your Mind'. Unfortunately Achuzie is in the Terminal stage which is medically not reversible.
In your case there might still be hope for you. In case I have confused you....what do you mean by this statement??
quote:Take the people of the old Biafra for example, they have been calling for an independent State of Biafra. Who is stopping then from turning the existing 5 States of the Southeast into another small India, another small Indonesia or another small Taiwan? If the former giant Southeast cannot, who will under the current set up in Nigeria?
Who is the old Biafra? In your mind Anioma was not part of it.
What do you mean by ‘What is stopping Them’ !!
Let me not focus on the Them!! but in your right mind you really think that a level playing ground to actualize India and Taiwan is in place?
I will continue to say this but when a leg on a body is mischievously painted a different color from the rest of the body, the same leg turns round and decides to walk away from the body because it thinks the new color can attain better things for it...............
The day I will see a leg walking by itself (without a body) on the road, I will know that I am definitely watching a Hollywood block buster.
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Unfortunately, I have not been able to read the entire contributions on this thread but I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing if Anioma is left out of the sixth state. This is provided we have our acts together.
With six core Igbo states in place, it could be said that Igbos have six states with a sizable propotion in 2 other states. Now my problem with state creation is just that for every states that Nd'Igbo get, Ndi Awusa get five and Ndi Yoruba three. Is this going to be the same here?
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New state: Ohanaeze shortlists 3 CHUKWUDI ACHIFE, Enugu
OHANAEZE Ndigbo may have shortlisted three out of the several proposals for the creation of an additional state in the South East from which one would be selected. Daily Champion learnt that the decision of the apex Igbo organisation to reduce the number of probables followed its resolve to ensure that the process of carving out the sixth state from the zone is handled amicably. The organization had early last month set up a committee headed by frontline politician Chief (Dr.) Emmanuel Iwuanyanwu to harmonize the different agitations for state creation in the South East following the resolution of the defunct National Political Reforms Conference (NPRC) on the matter; and to recommend one to its general assembly for approval and presentation to the National Assembly. The committee had since been receiving presentations from the different groups including the proponents of the Adada, Njaba, Anioma, Aba, and Orlu or Urashi states. However, at a meeting of the expanded committee held last weekend at the Ohanaeze secretariat in Enugu, the agitators of the proposed states of Aba, Etiti, and Orlu were asked to go home and make further consultations with the people in the areas to be included in the state proposed by them and report back to the committee before its next meeting scheduled for the 17th of this month. A member of the committee, Dr Joe Nworgu confirmed in an interview with reporters that the different groups had sought to shore up more support for their proposals at the meeting, adding that it was after their presentations that the ‘"three probables" were arrived at. Stressing, however, that the committee’s work was far from being over, Nworgu further confirmed that the agitators of the three probable states had been mandated to make wider consultations before the March 17 meeting. Addressing the meeting, Chief Iwuanyanwu who is also member Board of Trustees of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) reiterated the commitment of the committee to name the new state in good time adding that its choice would be based on the constitutionally established principles for creation of a new state. Emphasizing that the committee was concerned with the state approved for the South East by the NPRC, he urged the agitators whose proposed states may not eventually be recommended by the committee not to be disillusioned but to persevere in their quest as more states could still be created in the country. He further advised the agitators to accept and support whatever recommendation the committee may make so that the opportunity offered to the South East by the NPRC resolution would not be lost amidst avoidable wranglings among the different groups. Also speaking at the meeting, the South East Vice Chairman of the PDP and a proponent of the Obigbo (Etiti) state, Nze Ozichukwu Chukwu expressed satisfaction with the progress so far made by the committee and urged all the agitators to remain resilient in their quest even after the choice of the new state had been made as was demonstrated by the people of the present Ebonyi State in their struggle to break away from the old Ogoja province. Meanwhile, proponents of the Anioma state have threatened to pull out of Ohanaeze if their quest for the creation of the state was not upheld. Ohanaeze Secretary General, Chief Joe Achuzia who confirmed this in an interview with reporters said the agitators were angry over what they saw as an effort by people in the existing five states of the South East to appropriate the new state to the exclusion of Ndigbo in other regions. He stated that the resolution of the NPRC was for another state to be created for the Ndigbo and that according to him included Igbo in Rivers and Delta states. He added that the position of the Anioma state agitators which according to him, tallies with that of the Ohanaeze was that the new state should be created from outside the existing five states thereby giving Ndigbo outside a greater sense of belonging and justice. Achuzia said; "You don’t expect Anioma people to be happy because there are seven Igbo states out of which five including, Abia, Anambra, Ebonyi, Enugu and Imo, hav
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