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Biafra, the fact that we think alike doesnt mean we are the same people. But hey, bring it on. I should tell you though, before you embarked on your wild guise chase, that I don't know these people. By the way, if you have heard my views before, what have you done to mend your ways? What steps have you taken to look inward and find things to correct? What set of facts, have you concluded, are objective in the appraisals of the Igbos/Biafrans? If you say none, then my fellow Nigerian, you are bound to make the same fatal mistake as in 1967.
Undisputed evidence! You guys are something. Another empty boast?
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I knew it, Kesu Othaniel Aluko, I knew you will take the bait. You came through like a big rain trout. Kesu; Igbos don't need your double talk. What are you afraid of? That you and your fellow yorubas will finally work for a living. Come on man, we Igbo we are not saying we are better than anybody, we just want to be left alone to determine our own faith and future. What is heard there for you and Aluko your tag teammate to understand.
If you want that big Nigeria you talked about, don't you think that, it will be better for every ethnic group to make up their mind whether to be part of it or not. You mentioned United States land in one of your previous post. But your double talk caused you to ignore important fact on that issue. Which is every State in the Union made a decision out of their own free will to join the Union. Few years ago Porto Rico put before their citizen, a referendum whether to become the 51st State of the union or reamin as a commonwealth territory of US. Their citizen decided to keep the status quo.
You talk about your one Nigeria, but deep inside you hate other tribes. How then can you talk of being in one country when truely all you care about is your own tribe. If you have a choice between dieing for Nigeria or dieing for your own tribe. Brother we all know quite well that you will die for your tribe before even entaining a thought of dieing for this Nigeria you profess to want.
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Kesu, Permit me to address this to you. You will be called different names just to intimidate you...a clear sign of frustration. They will desperately try to match your handle in order to marshall more mild-mannered Igbos to their side....a clear sign of crude backdoor diplomacy. They will then openly report you to the webmaster and advise that your handle be pulled ....a clear symptom of depressed thinking, and finally, they(webmasters) will heed the calls of their loyal landlords and promptly disengage your irritations. That is the classic modus operandi here and it is almost always led by none other than Biafra. Subsequently, Chiboy will begin to scrutinize your writings for any infraction and bam, my best friend on this site(names undisclosed) will start to call you names(i still respect him a lot) and try to force a similar response from you, that will be considered an infraction, which is perfectly normal coming from Amadi O and co (racial slurs, we call them) and in their quest to distract us from the real issues, they will go all out to try to discredit you. I have witnessed this first hand at least twice and it just reminds you of the pronouncements from Enugu when it looked like the igbos might be having the upper hand in the Civil War. Just brace yourself for any eventuality, it's not like you have to contribute to this website anyway, i mean in two days, you have successfully elucidated your position in such a way that its impact will be felt a long time. Trust me on this, it will be their loss. Just take a look back at the archives of this site and then attempt to compare the materials from two and three years ago to the junk we have today, you will understand. Good people are just too weary to contribute to one-sided discussions here and be treated with disdain for taking opposing positions.
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Thank you Addy. I was hoping that these people would appreciate facts and contrary views on their take on issues. Apparently, they don't. They enjoy sidestepping issues and reducing the discussion to personal attacks. I have tried my best to present facts to these people and all I expected in return was counter views with fact and figures so that we can engage in fruitful discussions on the future of our country. I don't have a problem with having all nationalities that make up Nigeria in a sit down and let each group presents its case for separation but we must not do it under attacks and cheap tribal sentiments. Afterall, we are still citizens of the same country and if we decide to separate, we should retain strong ties to each other and serve as trading partners. This we can't do if we separate through war or by chaos.
So when I stumbled on this site, I must confessed, I was shocked to read what people like Amadi, Biafra, Osetutu and others were writing. I was offended by their unproveked attacks on their fellow citizens. I just couldnt believe that anyone with his right senses would hold the hold tribe responsible for the inadequacies of one. I was rather disturbed that these Nigerians would rather distroy the country just so they can leave it. In any event, i tried to redirect the discussion and asked a simple question. Hoping that it would force people like Amadi, Osetutu and others to take an educated angle with their answers. But what did I get, the same diatribe about these blessed Biafrans, these Godsent who could have raised a country that could have be completing with the United States of America if let alone. These same Biafrans who couldn't win a war they started. These same Biafrans whose leader absconded when the going was tough. These Biafrans who need the market provided by the rest of the country. These same Biafrans whose states within the nation have not surpassed others in any tangible ways. These same Biafrans who are as corrupt as their fellow citisens if not more. These same Biafrans who produced three corrupt senate presidents back to back! They had the gull to hold the whole tribe responsible for the failure of one and asks to be forgiven of the misdeeds of its members. I just can't let them get away with it.
You are right, if they find away to get me out of this site, I won't lose sleep over it. I hope that while I am here, they will be mindful of the rubbish they send out because I will respond in kind. Meanwhile, Addy, lets have so fun.
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Biafra for real you need deliverance! If you understand the special situation of Puerto Rico you would know why the referandum failed. Most Puerto Ricans voted against it when they realized the consequences. With statehood comes other responsibilities it doesnt have to deal with as a commonwealth. For example, as a state it must give up its language and must take English as official language. It must contribute to the coffers of the Federal government..Need I go on?
If you insist on calling me anything but Kesu, that is your problem. I deal with you guys alone. I get you all the time. I dont need bodydouble to deal with worms, I could smash them with my left foot. You are so easy to deal with, you all are full of hot hair, no substance. You just like to collect yourself in a circle and beat your chests with falsehood. When confronted with contrary opinion and facts, you lose balance and reduce the whole discussion to personal attack, name calling, misidentification, calling me Aluko is really a defeat.
Biafra, I will not die for anything or anybody. life is precious, I will not fight a losing battle or call a war without first making sure of the probability of winning. I will not shoot off my mouth when I should listen. I will definitely not disparage my fellow citizens just to boost my ego. You guys do that with gusto. No other nationalities carry on the way you do. It is as if Nigeria owes you something. Again, if you want to make a case for leaving Nigeria, you dont have to go to war, you dont have to put down your fellow citizens, you certainly dont have to misapply facts and figures.
There you go again with your code word: "afraid" You know, I just laugh loud when I see Igbos come with that word. "Why are they afraid of the Igbos" NOBODY is afraid of the Igbos. Your fellow citizens don't trust you. Your task, if you wish to accept it, is to find out why you are not trusted and try to cure yourself and win over your fellow citizens. if you do that, your battle is won, you need not fire one bullet or lose lives. But if you continue to delude yourself that someone is afraid of you, please go see a mental health specialist. Afraid of a group once vanquished?!
Biafra, you are slow.
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Welcome to BNW, my friend. Just fasten your seatbelt, as they say around here.
So far, you have been having a monologue, except for a few interjections from Biafra and Osetutu. For whatever reasons, most of the other brawlers on this board have chosen to ignore you. Truth be told, most of the aimless insults since you joined have come from you and not from your opponents. Addy should have noted that to you. But, one cannot always count on addy to be rational, especially if there is any truth to the alleged Aluko connection with you.
As addy pointed out, it is true that the quality of discussions on this board has degraded starting about two years ago when HeBiafreak joined and brought his special brand of crudeness to the debates.
Anyway, welcome. The more the merrier. At least, we get to read something other than the rantings of the confused mind of HeBiafreak.
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Daud, first let me tell you and others, I don't know Aluko, I'm not holding brief for anybody, I come in here hoping to have a fruitful sensible discussions but so far I have not seen any. As for the monologue, I have responded to filth and if you or anybody wants to contest my presentation, the floor is open. You are not free to characterize my presentation as aimless without as much as setting me straight. I stand by my presentation, sir. If you or the brawlers wants to join issue, be my guest but do so with facts not jingoism.
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For the first time I completely agree with. Kesu complained about insult when most of the insult have been coming him and directed to the whole Igbo ethnic group. Daud granted you and I don see eye to eye, because you are also part of the one Nigeria advocates. However Awusa can be trusted more than a yoruba.
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I have been dipping in + out of this forum over the past month or so because I have been very busy - I still am. In my brief visits, I have cringed at the contributions of this Kesu fellow. As they say, ‘everybody get him mouth’. On this particular visit, I couldn’t help but respond. However, before I engage Kesu, I’ll like to address the following:
Addy,
You state (to Kesu) that:
quote: “You will be called different names just to intimidate you...a clear sign of frustration. They will desperately try to match your handle in order to marshall more mild-mannered Igbos to their side....a clear sign of crude backdoor diplomacy. They will then openly report you to the webmaster and advise that your handle be pulled ....a clear symptom of depressed thinking, and finally, they(webmasters) will heed the calls of their loyal landlords and promptly disengage your irritations.”
And,
quote:I have witnessed this first hand at least twice
I really don’t know what you are on about, Addy. You need to stop this alarmism. If you have witnessed the above “at least twice”, how come you are still here? You still have your username, you still make posts. How is it then that your “irritations” have not as yet been “disengaged”? Explain that to me else, stop crying wolf!
Daud,
Akin to your relationship with Biafra, you + I do not see eye-to-eye. Like Biafra, I commend you on your willingness to speak the truth on this matter. Anaedo - your ‘bosom buddy’ - would be proud of you. We may very likely cross swords in the not-too-distant future but I would like it to be on record that, on this occasion, you displayed true strength of character.
Kesu,
You wear your One-Nigeria garb with pride. Good. You don’t hate the Igbo. Again, good. You have made concrete statements to that effect:
quote:Oh no, I like the Igbos, they are part of my potentially great country, Nigeria. posted July 14, 2006 12:46 PM July 14, 2006 12:46 PM
quote:It is not hate, it is setting record straight. posted July 14, 2006 12:46 PM July 14, 2006 12:46 PM
Now, this is where you lose me. Going by the above statements, I find it difficult to reconcile the following:
quote:As for starving the igbos [comprising mostly children] during the war. I say served them right! posted July 14, 2006 04:18 AM July 14, 2006 04:18 AM
quote:In fact, if the Igboland had been on the west of River Niger, certainly the "yoroba" would have colonized it! posted July 13, 2006 05:01 PM July 13, 2006 05:01 PM
quote:You [Igbos] worship money. You [Igbos] kill for money. posted July 14, 2006 08:04 PM July 14, 2006 08:04 PM
quote:You[Igbos]have not contributed anything to Nigeria in a positive way. You sell adultrated goods, you import cheap stuff, you dont pay taxes, you cheat your fellow citizens if they venture into business with you. You completely destroy Nigeria image abroad with 419. Your quest for money knows no bounds posted July 14, 2006 08:04 PM July 14, 2006 08:04 PM
quote:In sum, Igbos have nothing to teach their fellow citizens except how not to fight a losing war and prepare for another. posted July 13, 2006 05:01 PM July 13, 2006 05:01 PM
You say all these about the Igbo because the Igbo have a monopoly on all things bad in Nigeria. Thank you. I wasn’t aware that no Yoruba is involved in all these ills. After this identification of how bad the Igbo are, I was confused because you previously said:
quote:Mr. Osuji, are you reading my mind? But wait a minute, I don't hate Igbos ...I like them because they are part of Nigeria and if Nigeria must continue to progress, we need every Nigerian posted July 12, 2006 03:40 AM
Finally, the pièce de résistance; my personal favourite:
quote:"Reasonable people would take a step back and ask themselves, just how come they have always been victims of attacks in Northern parts of Nigeria. It couldn't be because they are Emeka or Chidi. It certainly must be more than that. Fellow citizens always dismiss their demand to rule the nation not because they r situated in the Eastern part of the country! No, sir, there must be other reason for that. It is certainly not because of the fear of Igbos...oh heavens no! It is not because the Igbos have special attributes that make them better at governing than the rest of their fellow citizens. What could it be then? Could it be that Igbos have these traits that turn their fellow citizens off?"
Until you breezed in, I was of the impression that the killing of Igbo in the North + other parts of the country was as a result of the intolerant attitude of these folks – attitudes which have resulted in Igbo killings since the 1940s. Your suggestion that the Igbo are responsible for their ‘woes’ (which include random attacks on defenceless women + children) has put your views in their proper perspective. Thank you. You have moved from advocating love for all things + people Nigerian, to laying the blame for the killing of Igbo in the North, at the feet of the Igbo themselves. Again, thank you. What a clever, detribalised boy you are.
quote:As for leaving this site..wow you dont know me. You will find out soon enough, I am here to stay to bring you guys back on land, you are in the cloud for too long. posted July 11, 2006 03:18 PM July 11, 2006 03:18 PM
I couldn’t help but smile at this. When it really kicks-off in here, I hope your courage will not suffer uncertainty. All I will say at this point is 'thank you, Great Kesu'. We anxiously await the coming of your wrath. I hope it will carry a lot more weight than your previous attempts which were as contradictory as they were pathetic. However, be advised that there is nothing you can do to the Igbo that Nigeria hasn’t already done. You will fail as she has – + we will still be right here getting you all worked up!
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Kesu You continue to dodge the questions and continue with your Igbo hate. You still don't get it man. The point wasn't what Puerto Rico would have lost if the became 51st State of the Union. The point is that their citizen had a chance to make that choice whether to remain with status quo or join the Union. This is all we Igbos are asking for, let us have the chance to decide whether we want to your Nigeria or not. If Majority Igbo decide in a true and fair referendum that they don't want Biafra, we will abide by that. But your one Nigeria continue to deny people that choice.
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You know, I was under the impression that I responded to you, Mr. Igboblood..by the way, what is so special about Igbo blood that propelled you to claim it as a screen name? Or are you in some way doubtful of your heritage?
Anyway, Igboblood, you did not reflect on my post, instead you went on your own seeking a friendly ear. I stand by what I said: What is it about Igbos that make them a target in the North. And, please don't give me that nonsense about "intolerant attitude of these people" You were not the only ones in their midst; there are people from the south south, midwest and other parts of Nigeria. Why is it always the Igbos who suffer the brunt of the it? Please tell me. I have my answer having lived in Kano for a time in my life and seeing things first hand, but I want to hear it from an Igbo blood!
As for editing my post on starvation of Igbos during the civil war, you were just being silly. Sure, the Federal policy makers should have sent federal soldiers to Biafra to separate the children from adult before it embarked on its blockade. When you called a war, what were your plans to protect the children? The elderly, the infirm? What about the possiblity of defeat? Did you even consider those before you allowed yourself to be swept away by jingoism?
If by pointing out the obvious, you say i hate igbos, good.
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The best thing now is to ignore this Kesu Bolaji Aluko. I stated that he came here only to spread his hate. So far he has not strayed from that aganda. This is probably the last time I am going to respond to Kesu, because he doesn't want debate. All he wants is to spread his Igbo Hate.
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Biafra, the good news is that I beat you to it. I have ingored your ranting before now. You have nothing to say in the past few weeks. You enjoy the sound coming out of your mind. Stay dumb.
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1. Don't you think that every ethnic group created by God deserves the right to decide if they want to exist in union with other tribes? 2. Assuming thousands of your tribe men, women and children lived in a different part of the country and suddenly thousands are being brought back to your region viciously butchered, slaughted and killed; what will you do? I need your honest answer.
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Paul cicero: Let me say this again, sure every ethnic group has a "right to decide if they want to exist in union with other tribes" My point is, let the ethnic group present its case without exaggerating its importance, putting others down, and making claims and threats it is not in any position to effect!
And if thousands of my tribe men, women and children were butchered, slaughtered and killed in another part of the country, I would hope that my elders are made up of calm, responsible,and realistic people who would not allow emotional consideration deaden their objective, clear cognitive senses. I certainly wont further expose my people to harm by declaring war without the materiel and personnel to execute it and if war should be our only remedy, I would hope that we limit our scope of engagement, leave room for political solution, not involved or relied on other tribes, and create a committee to direct the war not leave our faith in the hands of a selfish, manipulating and an overly ambitious young man. To be sure, the war was executed on both sides by youngmen: Gowon was 31, Adekunle was 29, most, if not all, are bachelors, the nation was not even 10 years old. Tragedy of silent elders, youthful exuberance and loss of the nation's bright future.
Today, there is a viable avenue to dismantle Nigeria: Let all of us subscribe to the demand for National Sovereign Conference and let us sit down and bury Nigeria if that is what we want and leave the table with a pact of brotherhood, nonaggression and cooperation. No part of Nigeria can leave by way of aggression, it wont work, it will lead to another senseless loss of lives.
For those who want to read another view on the war, check this link
For a moment there you sounded sensible, then all of a sudden your old hate kicks in. We never declared war, the war was declared on us. Please my brother if you are going to make statement. State facts, our people were been killed from Lagos to Kano to Sokoto and beyong. What did you wanted us to do fold our arms and continue to turn the other chick?. The conference you are talking about was held once in Aburi Ghana, ask you people why it was never implemented. If it had been implemented as agreed in Aburi many lives would have been saved on both side.
Now lets keep the war aside, and start from 1970 the war ended and count how many times Igbo have been masacared. May be you never heard of an Igbo man who was behead in the north. The new clamouring for Biafra did not start until 5 years ago. That is 35 years after the war. Please don't allow your hate for Ojukwu cloud your judgement on this. Now tell me what war have Igbo wedged since 1970 that have earned them constant masacare in Nigeria.
Kesu Do you believe in self defense that a man have every right to defend himself and protect his family and people. I will wait for your answer.
Thanks for the reply, but I have to add few things, the Igbo's didn't have any choice other than secession. It was horrendous the level of slaughtering that took place. Also the decision for secession which lead to Gowon declaring war on Biafra was never made by Ojukwu. It was a collective decision made by prominent entities in Igboland at that time.
I am curious, I want to know what you think and this is the truth, do you think anyone can exist with an ethnic group that believes it's there God given right to rule other ethnic groups in the country, despite the state they have left the country through their corrupt and visionless leadership for numerous years. Does not value the lives of those who don't believe in there religion or is not from their tribe. Their prominent entities have never condemned the killing of innocent fellow citizens from different tribes e.g. killings over comment a journalist made about Mohammed prior to the "world's most beautiful woman contest". How can you exist with people that regard you as an infidel?
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Mr. Cicero: Let me say here and now that the slaughter of Igbos in the North was not only despeakable, it was sacrilegious. It was a crime that begged for punishment. It shouldn't have happened in any civilized society. To the extent that it continues to happen in Nigeria, people of good conscience SHOULD have demanded action of the Federal government and other responsible local governments. At the minimum, those responsible should have been arrested and made an example of how not to react. I also agree with you that the exrajudicious killings of fellow citizens by any section of the country ought have have been vigorously outlawed. This is not just Igbo fight, this is a fight for every citizen of Nigeria. I dare say, such lawless and rampant killings ought to be enough reason for people to seek a new arrangement of the relationship between the many nationalities inhabitting Nigeria.
It is totally wrong for the nation as whole to sit idle while these people burn places of worship, destroy businesses and kill fellow citizens without consequences. This inaction, as we have seen, have encouraged them to continue with the lawlessness.
Having said that, Mr. Cicero, I am yet to see a purposeful move on the part of the Igbos to show their dissatisfaction with the elements in our country who by direct or indirect actions allowed these killings to continue. Here are some of the actions that could be taken: a decision to stop doing business in that part of the nation, a committee comprising substantial number of the nationalities to press the case for a peaceful co-existence, criminal prosecution of those responsible, civil penalties for responsible communities or parties, educational program to teach cultural sensitivities to those involved. (Lord knows, that is needed on both sides of the issue) But a situation where the Igbos quickly return to the same location after losing lives and properties, for business as usual, would not help matters. Insisting on seceding is not an answer, either unless of course there is a Court somewhere in this universe that would replicate the judgment in Nigeria v. Cameroun!
As for co-existing "with an ethnic group that believes it is there God given rite to rule others" I am sure that will never be the case again. The monopoly the North had on presidency has been broken, though it took agitation of the southwest to accomplished and the lives of others, notably, Abiola, I think we have in place a rotational system that will serve the test of time. Whether it is right or democractic or even fair, is another issue but in a multiethnic region like Nigeria, I dare say it is still the best we can come up with at this stage of our development. All I ask of all our citizens is that, we should take our time and let this new system work and be watchful of our new democracy. Eight years is not a long time in the life of a nation. If power returns to the North after the failure of Obasanjo, the south east and south south should use the next eight years to perfect a system of choosing the next president of the nation. For, that has not been done. No one in here can say with assurance that the issue of who the presidential candidate would be from the south has been resolved between the south east and the south south. I hope we wont kid ourselves by saying that matter has been resolved. It has not.
If on the other hand, those of our citizens who strongly believe that the presidency should continue to reside in the south could backup their claim with political finesse,they ought to find a way to isolate the North, employ other political parties, not PDP, and fill all their presidential candidates with a southerners, seek votes in the south and progressive parts of the North, I say go for it! Just do something peaceful, lawful and wise not just run your mouth!
There are ways to pursue and achieve our goals without condemning other nationalities, claiming we are superior, threatening a war we can't win. If, as claimed here, we have the education, the sophistication, the moral ground to demand our equitable shares of the national cake, lets show it by the force of our argument. Mr. Paul Cicero, so far you have been most collegial. That is more than I can say for most of the contributors to my post,most especially these two touts who take on the name of an imaginary country, who has never fought a war and shoot from the hip.
Finally, being called an infidel is not a curse, Britain and the United States are nations of infidels. If that is how infidels live, please take the title with pride.
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The Shiite and Sunni Moslems in Kaduna and Zaria are protesting and burning Israeli flags. I can't believe that these type of moslems are native Nigerians.
Kesu, on the issue of Biafran war, Ojukwu and Gowon went to Ghana to renegotiate Nigeria (Aburi Accord). Ojukwu never wanted war. He wanted justice and equity in Nigeria. And, that was what Aburi Accord should have provided. But Gowon agreed and later turned it down and started the war.
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Rick May God bless, thank God that some of us who witnessed that war and were active participant it are still alive. Otherwise people like Kesu would have rewrite the history of that war to suit there warped views.
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Rick, sing it the way you like, you don't unilaterally declare a state within a state and say you did not call for war! You don't take and militarily pursue areas not within your domain, as Ojukwu did in the old Midwest, Port harcourt, calabar etc and attempted to take Lagos, and Ibadan, and say you have not declared war. You guys better see a shrink, this is getting to be a mental problem.
What they do with Israel's flag in kaduna or Zaria should not be of concern to you or any Nigerian. I am not even sure if it is a crime. Once again, if you want to make a case for the disintegration of Nigeria, do so without putting down your fellow citizens for after the melt down, Igbos will still do business and interact with their former fellow citizens. No nation is an island, certainly not a landlocked Igboland!
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When Port Harcourt, an IKWERRE/IGBO terrain is declared a part of the north or perhaps a Yoroba territory, my brothers should then take a cue and let the ramble go on without as much as waste a second because the wicked propaganda which started in 1966 is yet to abate. The difference this time being our capacity to instantaneously have access to it thanks to the WWW unlike then when we were oblivious to all their hateful lies towards us until it was more than too late to. Ndi Igbo, obahu uru, let their unscripted 'music' play but without you for what you guys are trying to do is teach quantum physics to a gorilla, not going to work!!
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