quote:Truth be told, most of the aimless insults since you joined have come from you and not from your opponents. Addy should have noted that to you. But, one cannot always count on addy to be rational, especially if there is any truth to the alleged Aluko connection with you. --Daud to Kesu
Daud, I am starting to respect you more and more for your honesty and impartiality in certain issues despite diffrence of views. I think i am getting to understand you better.
___________________ Biafra is inevitable.Illegitimis nil carborundum. Posts: 760 | From: europe | Registered: Jan 2005
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quote:let their unscripted 'music' play but without you for what you guys are trying to do is teach quantum physics to a gorilla, not going to work!! - MeB
Nna, nwanne, you have your way of making me fall off my chair laughing . Ndeewo.
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Now is the winter of our discontent...made glorious summer by this [rising] sun of York. Posts: 325 | From: London | Registered: Jul 2005
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Rubbish! Western region survived and thrived without revenue from oil. You ought to know by now that Yoruba don't lose! Yoruba are resilient in nature and you cant hold a candle to them in their ability to reinvent themselves. North will also survive. The region is not given to crass capitalism of the south. Their religion has prepared them for a simple life style devoid of conspicous consumption that is the bane of the igbos. In fact you need these people. Igbos will always foray into other land to trade. The problem is their inability or unwillingness to respect their hosts' culture and tradition,a shortcoming that has never served them well but which they have refused to recognize and correct.
You should worry about what you will do if Biafra becomes a reality. Don't kid yourself into thinking the south south oil wells are situated on Igboland, they are not. Biafrans should worry about what market they would dump their fake, mostly inferior imported goods after the cover that Nigeria citizenship provides for them is withdrawn. Furthermore, they should worry about how they would repair the damage done to other tribals they enjoy ridiculing. Igboland is landlocked, it has no access to water and agriculture, education and tangible socialization have been totally abandoned and in its place, a crazed race to become rich at all cost. You have a lot of work to do. Eldorado, my friend, is not reality.
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"...[their] unwillingness to respect their hosts' culture and tradition"
You just realized that you block head. Biafrans are unwilling to respect your way of life by design, and your leaders in aso rock have just made that worse with 8years in office and nothing to show for it. To tell you the truth, there's nothing to be respected about cultures that make mockery of hardwork, personal hyiegene for example; cultures that steal from the public treasury in a rather unsophisticated open manner and thinks nothing about it. Those cultures that proceed in such manner are typical of nations that rank at the bottom of the economic ladder. That is why nigeria has not made any progress under yoroba/awusa leadership. Shouldn't be a surprise even to a block head.
Tell me why any one should respect cultures that have brought disrepute to the entire black world given all the resources they have had to work with since 1966, with nothing to show for it. With the yoroba/awusa record of incompetence before you, would you be inclined to respect these cultures except as a political correct gesture, if you were not part of them.
Igbo/Biafrans are not too excited about your traditions and way of life because they have not helped you make progress in managing nigeria since your culture became ascendant. Independent Oduduwa and Arewa republics will survive alright, but their future is similar to Benin and Niger Republics, respectively, seeking foreign investments and trade from Biafra to help them cope.
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___________________ achieve Biafra and show the difference Posts: 642 | From: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: Nov 2002
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quote: Don't kid yourself into thinking the south south oil wells are situated on Igboland, they are not. Biafrans should worry about what market they would dump their fake, mostly inferior imported goods after the cover that Nigeria citizenship provides for them is withdrawn. Furthermore, they should worry about how they would repair the damage done to other tribals they enjoy ridiculing. Igboland is landlocked, it has no access to water and agriculture, education and tangible socialization...Blablabla and etc.--Kesu (the Goebbels of Nigeria)
I wonder why they are all so desperately clinging unto us then since we are obviously so useless, inferior, landlocked , generaly dependent, and of no use to Nigeria, then why not just let us go on our own as Biafra? Noway? why? that means your arguments are a pack of lies. You need Igbo and cannot survive without Igbo hence your predicament and hatred. I hope Kesu can see how superficial, conterproductive, stupid and juvenile his arguments are to any enlightened observer?
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There you go again, feeling superior, feeling indispensable! Don't you get tired of lying to yourself Mr. Ochiwar? The Igbos are free to go, I have always said that but until they are ready to go, they should stop trying to psych themselves up by putting down their fellow citizens. They should be objective in their assessment about themselves and the country as a whole. They should be mature enough to appreciate the good done by other Nigerians and condemn atrocities by fellow Igbos. Anambra is a case in point, no nation will stand by and let hooligans torment its citizens and if you guys don't see a need to clear Anambra of these hooligans then you are not serious about building a country of your own.
If Biafra is going to be a reality, it ought to come not through war, because Igbos will not win a war against the rest of the nation and another war wont serve Igbos' interest. It could not come by discussion groups or by putting down fellow citizens. It will come by a conference of the nationalities that make up Nigeria. When the time comes, and you can bet your last naira that the day will come, Nigerians would bury the contraption called Nigeria and people will leave as brothers and sisters with promise to relate together in the future.
Talking about bringing disrepute to the nation: Igbos have done especially well in this regard. They have mastered the art of 419 and other dispeakable fraud under the sun. The Igbos are not in any position to teach the world about hygiene. What is more, the Igbos are not free of blame if Nigeria is viewed as a failed state. They have been part and parcel of every failed governments in Nigeria. In the current dispensation, they hold the high office of the president of the senate and we know how well they have performed in that office! They are also governors and right now, they could not lay claim to any superior achievements. So boys, when you lay blame, be sure to let it circulate to all corners.
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"Daud, I am starting to respect you more and more for your honesty and impartiality in certain issues despite diffrence of views. I think i am getting to understand you better." - Ochiwar
You're right about that, I'm in agreement.
"I wonder why they are all so desperately clinging unto us then since we are obviously so useless, inferior, landlocked , generaly dependent, and of no use to Nigeria, then why not just let us go on our own as Biafra? Noway? why? that means your arguments are a pack of lies. You need Igbo and cannot survive without Igbo hence your predicament and hatred." - Ochi
You're just too hot dude!! On a roll and this too is what I had in mind before I read yours. Keep it that way.
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2482 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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I don't understand why you are attacking the igbos. I would like to address few things in your last message. First of all you said:
_________________________________________________ The Igbos are free to go, I have always said that but until they are ready to go, they should stop trying to psych themselves up by putting down their fellow citizens. _________________________________________________
This statement is wrong, Alhaji Mujihad Dokubo-Asari and Chief Ralph Uwazurike before they were locked up called on President Obsanjo to allow the sitting for a Sovereign National Conference. What did obsanjo do, he locked them up accusing them of treason. Obsanjo was then quoted saying that he will give his life to keep Nigeria together. This brings me back to the question I asked you, about an ethnic groups' right to remain in a union with other tribes. You gave me the answer I was expecting, you said every ethnic group has the right to decide if the one to exist in a union with different tribes. with that in mind, why is Obsanjo and lets not forget the past rulers of Nigeria, not allowing all the ethnic groups in Nigeria to decide if the want to maintain the status quo? One thing life have thought me, is that you can never force anybody to do anything, unless in their heart they believe it is the right thing. It does mean you can't force them, but end of the day you will realise it wasn't accomplished accordingly. the truth of the matter is simple, so many ethnic groups not only Igbo, but Ijaws, Itsekiris, ogonis, efik, ibibio etc just don't want to retain the status quo anymore, they want out.
You said: ________________________________________________ Anambra is a case in point, no nation will stand by and let hooligans torment its citizens and if you guys don't see a need to clear Anambra of these hooligans then you are not serious about building a country of your own. _________________________________________________
I don't necessarily belief this, you have to look at the bigger picture, if the Nigerian Government have worked had to create jobs for thousand of graduate from its numerous university yearly and invested money in regeneration projects across different states and ethnic groups, you will not see, in your words they so called 'hooligans tormenting the citizens'. Secondly, I live in England. Right here in England, a civilised nation, we have deadly gangs who torment other citizens. There are placing in for example in London and Nottingham that you cannot go at night. But I have never seen or heard the Prime Minister Blair or mayors of these towns ordering the police to shoot on site any gang member seen, contrary to what is going on in Anambra state.
You said:
_________________________________________________ They have mastered the art of 419 and other dispeakable fraud under the sun. _________________________________________________
I don't understand why you are attacking the igbos, for example here in England numerous yorubas and hausas do fraud.
Finally, I have to say there is no need slagging off the Igbos, the bottom line is Nigeria is messed up, there are so many people who are not prepared to work hard, all they want is easy money, talk about reaping what you did not sow. Also we are too diversified, think about it, every world power has at least 80% of there population speaking the same language. Am not talking about what you learn from school, but from home and your community. It hasn't worked for over 40 years, why do we think suddenly it will start working.
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Mr. Cicero, I want you to know that I enjoy reading from you. You seem to be the only one who answers my first post in this forum and you do so with superb maturity. I strongly believe in the National sovereign conference, I am of the opinion that having this conference will resolve most of our tribal problems, real and imagined but I also understand why all our presidents have refused to entertain it. I dare say even an Igbo president will most probably not allow it. I think when the presidents were handed (or took) over the control of the nation, they believed they should relinquish it as whole as they got it. Having said that, I continue to wish that Nigerians will one day be controlled by our own Goberchev then the nationalities will be encouraged to chart their own course or decide under what conditions they want to remain in the same country. I hope for that day. What I find offensive, what I can't tolerate, is for some nationalites to say they are better than their fellow citizens, there is no truth to it and as you rightly said, you will find in every nationalities criminal elements. The quote you referred to above was in response to a contributor's allegeation to the effect that only Yoruba and Awusa harbor criminal elements. So, please when you quote, always remember the context in which the statement were made. When people say they come from a superior tribe, they should be told the truth.
Unlike some of our fellow citizens here, I don't see how any tribe could unilaterally declare itself independent of Nigeria. It is an act of war and any tribe who engages in such act should be ready for the consequences. It is ok to boast about our capabilites and abilities but the reality is transfroming these qualities into action and meeting success. Any tribe who engages in such stupidity would be crushed.
Nigeria had a lot of promise after independence but our elders allowed the promise to evaporate right at the time when they should have tapped into it for the betterment of Nigerians yet unborn. Beyond that, they plugged the whole nation to 3 years of bloody and destructive war from which we have not recovered and we may never recover. Others may find heros among the actors of that period, I don't. Aside from Nigerians like Zik, Aminu Kano, Okpara and one or two others, the rest are selfish, abusive and egomaniacs. These people have completed the destruction of Nigeria and Nigerians so much so that we see each others as enemies. if we relate to each other as such, is it any wonder that we have not attained the level befitting our potentials.
I have not totally given up on Nigeria. Yes, sir, Nigeria still has potential as one nation. There are benefits in diversity and in population of over 100 million. China and Indian are examples of what can be achieved when nationalities believe in the same destiny. To be sure, these countries have problems similar to ours, 80% of them don't speak the same language, one of them have caste system (India) they have several nationalities and they are no strangers to hostilities between these nationalities (India). one of them is the largest democracy in the world (India) China has one of the most repressive governments of the world- it routinely abort unauthorized pregnancy, castrates citizens bent on violating its birth control rules, intolerant of opposing views, controls movement of its several nationalities, uses prison labor to produce goods for international commerce, harvest human organs without authorization etc., Through it all, these two countries have claimed their spots in international domain. After the super 8 countries, they are next. We could be like them. Lets leave aside this childish nonsense of tribal superiority, it is a dream. Lets find ways to work together for the benefits of all. Breaking up Nigeria will NOT benefit any tribe.
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i understand what you are saying about china and india, to be honest i don't know anything about the relationship between tribes in india. one of the crucial problems with Nigeria in my point of view is the level of acceptance of other tribes' beliefs, culture and ethnic origin. For example, when will the next comment be made about mohammed or cartoon drawn about mohammed in Denmark, we all know what happened last time in Nigeria. The ultimate question is, why is it that non muslims are still killed in the north, especially igbos? i am not trying to attack anybody, but it is the truth. This the main reason why i don't think the Nigeria model will ever work.
i believe for a nation to exist as one, any citizen should be able to pack it in and move to a different part of the country without problem.
At the moment the tossle for the next president is heating up in Nigeria. By right we know the next president should come from either south-east or south-south, but what are we hearing, lame and dogmatic excuses why it should be the North. Why shouldn't the south-east and south-south rule the nation? isn't long overdue for this regions to produce a president? you see Kesu, many people don't believe in one Nigeria, every ethnic group is fighting their own corner.
Kesu, i have to be honest with you there are only two options for Nigeria; 1. decentralise power and give it to different regions to govern themselves. let us exist as a confederation of states,ala britain. 2. Outright break up of the nation, let us exist as individual countries.
If Nigeria system is left the way it is today, it can only get worst for the mere citizens not for the politicians, who only know the act of embezzlement. i want to know what you think.
one more thing can we forget anything about who started or who didn't start the civil war. millions lost their lives, that should be respected.
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