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Mureed, your attempt at psycho analyzing me was way off the person that I am but thank you nonetheless as you’re reminded that practicing without license in this country could earn you time in the slammer. And the reason you never read from me in few days is due to my refusal to let the nigerian mess ruin my weekend. BTW, could you please point out those disparaging (derogatory statements) you claimed I “rained” on fellow participants? Know what, you can’t! I believe I’ve made three posts to this thread and none of them can be said to be abusive. You also said “you tend to see white as grey and brown as black or worst still white as black and this is one of the two explanation i can give for the way you twisted what i have writen in my earlier post, the other would be that you did it delibrately which would then be devilish and therefore unacceptable.”
I do not see things in any other shade than that of truth. What puts me in logger ahead with folks is my knack to call it as is. I guess you’re now accusing me of all your known vices? lol@“devilish.”
For my scholarship, I still seek to know why this is you peoples’ ANGRY agenda towards your fellow human beings?
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- A world without Isreal/ Jews ! - Pushing the Jews nation into the Sea!
yes, this is official Hizbollah Motto and Aim.
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I am kind of confused here, are saying that the problem is Godmade? in that case stop blaming the arabs. go ahead and blame God directly. why do you hold a man responsible for something over which he is powerless? but come to think of it, i never thought 'God' can be so wicked as to creat a whole people just to make them live and behave like "wild animals". I realy see it as unimaginably preposterous. in any case my attitude towards statements like this is not different from the title of a novel i once liked as a boy by hadley chase 'believe this you believe anything'.
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Mureed, i most congratulate you for this insightful thoughts- i must add that i am as helpless as you are whenever i start imagining the reality of this Pronouncement from the Holy bible- mind you this is not a pronouncement by any prophet, but direct from God through an Angel! see- genesis 16 verse 11-12. whenever i close my eyes to think deep into this, the conclusion is always clear.- that there will always be one form of conflic or the other between the Violent/wild animal mannered Arabs and the rest of the World till the end of times! and anywere they they Arabs lands.. then sooner or later one form of Violence reports must come out of that place.
when i open my eyes and look around me and the World that i am living, i am always shocked to see that this things are the reality on the Ground and in the world today!. but Man cannot question God. and Gods pronounced Words must come to pass!!
mureed now you understand why the west and the rest of the world is entertaining angst about Arabs having WMD. the last time one of them Saddam husein was allowed to own some, he did not waste time to use it on kurds.
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I had wanted to stay out of this topic but was overcome by the power of Usman Yerima’s presentation. He made his argument in the most eloquent way and I am wondering if this is not what some of us have been shouting about, the one sidedness of the negative press towards Israel?
Watching the so-called arab league who are nothing but a cluster of sleeper terrorists on TV the other night, a novice might come out with the impression that these clandestine terrorists who occupy high profile positions in their different countries are responsible, especially when they camouflage themselves in business suits. What usually in most cases gives them away is when they open their mouth, “oso gbaa!” When these people want to mislead the west as always, the monsters never fail to put on suit and tie just to deceive unsuspecting, no, forget that, clueless people in the west, but when they want to incite and arouse their folks into wreaking more havoc on innocent Jews or Igbos, you see them in their flowing jihad gowns barking some Islamic nonsense. The lesson in this post is that looks could be and are indeed deceiving. Another way to put it as contained in the book is “all that glitters not being gold” as some could be copper or even shiny brass.
By now people should be aware of all the doctored, staged and rearranged pictures for special effect out of Lebanon. If these arab media could break the code of ethics that should guide every journalist to gain unfair advantage over their warring opponent, who is to say the claim of civilian casualties are true? Some of you who do not know how these Moslems operate might be taken for a wild ride not me for I have followed their antecedents for many years to come to my present conclusion that they are bad news for humanity. An affliction that is catchable only by messing with the quran. Imagine that a toddler is taught in Islamic schools as early as 3yrs old to hate non-moslems more especially, the Jews. What a crude way to inbide knowledge on an innocent kid yet some people do not see anything wrong with this? Moslems are mostly propelled by hateful lies of which their quran encourages them to do even to their wives! Guys, these are statements of facts and none of them could refute me. What you usually see from them are infant attacks that do nothing to address the core matter as seen from their constant evasion of questions that seek to know whether it is okeke – ok for the official policy of arab governments to erase Israel from the face of the earth.
quote:150 Lebanese Arrive in Kano, Plan Protest By Usman Yerima usmanyerima_mantu@yahoo.com
Without being insensitive, I don't think Lebanese nationals have any business staging protests in Nigeria.
For one, the World is aware of their plight and the UN has condemned the bombardment of Lebanon. There is global awareness of the current crisis in their nation, which has led the UN and EU to call repeatedly for a ceasefire in the on-going war between Israel and Hezbollah. Nigeria has little or no significance in middle east politics, hence any protest in Nigeria about current events in Lebanon is of little relevance. Lebanon and the Lebanese people should take some responsibility. They are the ones that act as host to Hezbollah, and Hezbollah has used it camps in southern Lebanon to fire rockets into repeatedly, until Israel decided to respond in kind. So I think these mischievous Lebanese nationals should henceforth take their protests elsewhere. My main concern however, is with the security of lives and property in our country. There is pattern of violence whenever protests along ethnic and or religious issues are at center stage in Northern Nigerian. Given this kind of volatile atmosphere, it is ill adviced for anyone to plan on staging a protest in that region of the country. We know too well that regardless of how peaceful such planned protests may be, violence can erupt so easily, and unless the organizers of this protest have some other motive up their sleeves, they ought to know better.
Take for example the Cartoon riots that left over 200 people dead. Nigeria had nothing to do with it. That aggravation was between some disgruntled middle east Muslims and a Danish tabloid that published the cartoons. Somehow, some northern Nigerian Muslims managed to drag other Nigerians into the equation, and the result was another senseless slaughter of innocent people. So I am quite weary and Nigerians should too when we hear of such an event as a planned protest in Kano by some Lebanese nationals over the bombardment of their country by Israel. It is very obvious that these people are trying whip up religious sentiments with the aim of destabilizing the volatile peace that currently exist there. If these crooked Lebanese had any sense of decency, they would have thought twice staging any such protest in northern Nigeria given the tendency of certain Nigerians to go over board and turn such occasions to a killing spree.
I have heard first hand from Nigerians that have lived in Lebanon of how they are treated by the Lebanese public and it is very demeaning.
As a matter of fact, a close friend of mine often recounts his ordeal when he played semi professional basketball in Beirut a few years ago before moving to the US. We used to laugh at stories of his ordeals in Lebanon, but it is no laughing matter. Many Nigerians in Lebanon also suffer similar indignity.
According to this friend of mine, whenever he left his apartment to go grocery shopping, people would jeer and spew racial insults at him. Often times, he would ignore the racial comments directed at him and act as if he was completely unaware of the insults, but then they'd point at him and shout "N.i.g.g.e.r" just to make sure he knew it was him they were referring to. This was no isolated incident either. It happened so often that he eventually had to get used to it. Nobody should have to go through that.
The one that blew my mind was an incident that occurred at the Murtala Mohammed International Airport on his way back to Lebanon after a visit to Nigeria to see his parents during his off season. He said after he showed his passport and necessary travel documents to Nigerian immigration/customs officials, they asked him several un-necessary questions, and then asked him to step out of line for further questioning. He complied.
They then went away into an office with his passport along with his Lebanese work permit. After about 15 minutes, they re-appeared and told him he could not travel because there was a problem.
My friend knowing very well that his paperwork was legitimate and that he had never been in any trouble with the law, began demanding to know what reasons they had to prevent him from traveling. They could not provide him with answers, but escorted him to an airport security room in the building. There, he encountered an airport security officer. He again demanded to know what was going on and why he was being detained. The Security officer claimed he was unaware of anything, but that he (my buddy) should wait, and then left the room. Shortly after, a Lebanese businessman walked into the room and introduced himself to my friend.
My friend then enquired as to the man's identity and the Lebanese businessman apologized for my buddy's inconvenience revealing that he (the Lebanese) was the one who asked the Nigerian officials to detain him. When my friend asked why, his response was that he wanted a chance to negotiate a possible transfer deal with him regarding leaving his current basketball team, and joining his (the Lebanese businessman's team).
I told my friend that if had been me in that situation, it would have been an all out war. Imagine a Lebanese asking Nigerian officials at a Nigerian International Airport to detain and disrupt the travel plans of a Nigerian. This Lebanese that is not an airport employee had access to immigration/customs offices. He had access to the back end offices and behind the counter in a Nigerian International Airport, and still had enough muscle to have Nigerian security officials delay and detain Nigerian Citizens. What a shame!!!!! Which Nigerian can pull that off in Beirut? Not in this life time, and not even in a 100 life times.
This is one of the reasons why I have absolutely no regard for Nigerian immigrations/ customs. Above all, I have little respect for Lebanese folks.
I even encountered an obnoxious one at Eko Hotel, who found out in a hurry that he wasn't talking to a regular Nigerian, and then jumped in his car and sped off after a brief confrontation that he wouldn't forget soon. I'm not going to get into that. But people, Nigeria is really in serious trouble. If Lebanese and others can disrespect us in their countries as well as ours, then something is seriously wrong.
Allowing Lebanese folks stage protests in Kano is completely irresponsible and a gamble with our national security.
“But people, Nigeria is really in serious trouble. If Lebanese and others can disrespect us in their countries as well as ours, then something is seriously wrong.”
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Firstly i do not think i have ever said anything like being helpless to you. definately not regarding this verse which you have quoted.Secondly i do not think you are the type of person that can endure real logical arguments/reasoning and hence your haste to quote verses with the soul aim of silencing.I must say here that i respect peoples opinion about God but will never ever allow anybody to take away my sense of reasoning in the name of 'God' as to begin to see stories written by other men due to their bais and prejudises as the indisputable and indissoluble word of the most high. To start with, books written by unknown authurs should not be associated with God otherwise we run the risk of subjecting God to all sorts of indignities in the hands of atheist and scientologist. thirdly, i have never been in doubt with regards to the existence of the said verse in the bible, what is in doubt and in fact unknown is the souce of the verse. remember it is this same genesis that tells us that the world is not more than 5000 years old. i certainly do not ascribe such to God and i know deep within me that God knows better than this. NOW MR WEBER I WILL LIKE YOU TO PICK UP YOUR BIBLE GO THROUGH IT ONCE AGAIN, BUT THIS TIME PLEASE USE YOUR BRAIN TO DISSERN WHAT IS GODLY AND WHAT IS NOT THEN MAYBE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TELL US WHOSE WORK IT IS.
Mr weber have you ever heard of the verb STEREOTYPING? please read about it, and again reason, we were given brains for a purpose.
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quote: i have never been in doubt with regards to the existence of the said verse in the bible, what is in doubt and in fact unknown is the souce of the verse. remember it is this same genesis that tells us that the world is not more than 5000 years old. ...........................................mureed
ha! ha! mureed, i can understand from this, that the Religion you identify with is the one that does not recorgnise the Bible as the Word of true God. ok.. i see you are a muslim - that explains partly your anti Isreali and anti american view.
b4 anything, can you please tell me were exactly in the Genesis that it was pronounced that the World is 5000 years old!
can you also be kind to tell us how many years old did your Koran correctly pronounced the World to be and were was it stated
-is it not foolish in questioning the authenticity of a pronouncement whose content is unfolding and coming to pass day by day.? here in europe the unsuspecting Europeans are waking up to the reality of violent prone wild Arabs- you saw what happen in France lately: thousands of cars were destroyed, Hospitals, christian homes were born in what was described as the first ever large destruction in France since the worldwar 2. by Arab youths protesting an ordinary comment by a french-politician in an interview were they say he called them slums. but the thousands of cars, houses , kindergatten etc that was set ablaze are the ones that belongs to the odinary innocent law abiding French-citizen.! -in Holand the brutal assasination of popular film director is still causing ripples, that couple with brutal street violence by arabic youths in the major cities they goes to night-clubs armed with knife and daggers hidding under their wears. and they always use it on slithhest provocation. Arabs have not much Value to Human-lives like the rest of us. a Brother can simple strangle or slash off the throut of his sister in the name of the so called "honour killing"! Fathers can also with all pleasure kill their daughters in the vein. and in all these only the women are on the receiving side. Men are never killed in the name of "honour killing". they are free to commit all sort of crimes, sleep with as many women they can lay hands on, engage in all sort of evil and yet no honour-killing!. these culture of violence is gradually being imported in european cities and the Alarm Bell is ringing! this has nothing to do with Islam at all. we have many Moslems from Asia, India etc in europe, they are the most peacefull. so it has nothing to do with Islam, but simple- The Arabic violent culture. a morrocan aquintance of mine made this comment after seeing the destruction in France:
"surely my people (the Arabs) does not deserve democracy, they can never live peacefully under a democratic settings like the ones established in europe. for anyday they acquire the means and the number, they will surely go against the free oder. it seems they always need autocratic sethings like what we have at home to behave".
............................................ so mureed disbelieving the truth will not help you or anybody.
hehe, nothing really happened. no bombs exploding. no hijacking. all we do know is that the UK police went on air to talk about an alleged terrorism plot.
just much ado about nothing.
it's kind of bad when the entire world has to be heated up and all traffic halted just cause some mofos go live on air talking about what COULD have happened.
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The whole world is at a stand still due to "what could have accurred."
Put simply, Osama Bin Laden has defeated the whole world.
A foreign policy change in the Middle East could save the whole wide world this headache. Now, I can't have cologne, toothpaste or hair grease in my carry-on bag because of fear of Osama Bin Laden.
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Israel requests weapons of mass destruction from the US for use in Lebanon:
quote:Israel Asks U.S. to Ship Rockets With Wide Blast By DAVID S. CLOUD Published: August 11, 2006 WASHINGTON, Aug. 10 — Israel has asked the Bush administration to speed delivery of short-range antipersonnel rockets armed with cluster munitions, which it could use to strike Hezbollah missile sites in Lebanon, two American officials said Thursday.
The request for M-26 artillery rockets, which are fired in barrages and carry hundreds of grenade-like bomblets that scatter and explode over a broad area, is likely to be approved shortly, along with other arms, a senior official said.
But some State Department officials have sought to delay the approval because of concerns over the likelihood of civilian casualties, and the diplomatic repercussions. The rockets, while they would be very effective against hidden missile launchers, officials say, are fired by the dozen and could be expected to cause civilian casualties if used against targets in populated areas.
Israel is asking for the rockets now because it has been unable to suppress Hezbollah’s Katyusha rocket attacks in the month-old conflict by using bombs dropped from aircraft and other types of artillery, the officials said. The Katyusha rockets have killed dozens of civilians in Israel.
The United States had approved the sale of M-26’s to Israel some time ago, but the weapons had not yet been delivered when the crisis in Lebanon erupted. If the shipment is approved, Israel may be told that it must be especially careful about firing the rockets into populated areas, the senior official said.
Israel has long told American officials that it wanted M-26 rockets for use against conventional armies in case Israel was invaded, one of the American officials said. But after being pressed in recent days on what they intended to use the weapons for, Israeli officials disclosed that they planned to use them against rocket sites in Lebanon. It was this prospect that raised the intense concerns over civilian casualties.
During much of the 1980’s, the United States maintained a moratorium on selling cluster munitions to Israel, following disclosures that civilians in Lebanon had been killed with the weapons during the 1982 Israeli invasion. But the moratorium was lifted late in the Reagan administration, and since then, the United States has sold Israel some types of cluster munitions, the senior official said.
Officials would discuss the issue only on the condition of anonymity, as the debate over what to do is not resolved and is freighted with implications for the difficult diplomacy that is under way.
State Department officials “are discussing whether or not there needs to be a block on this sale because of the past history and because of the current circumstances,” said the senior official, adding that it was likely that Israel will get the rockets, but will be told to be “be careful.”
David Siegel, a spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, declined to comment on Israel’s request. He said, though, that “as a rule, we obviously don’t fire into populated areas, with the exception of the use of precision-guided munitions against terrorist targets.” In such cases, Israel has dropped leaflets warning of impending attacks to avoid civilian casualties, he said.
In the case of cluster munitions, including the Multiple Launch Rocket System, which fires the M-26, the Israeli military only fires into open terrain where rocket launchers or other military targets are found, to avoid killing civilians, an Israeli official said.
The debate over whether to ship Israel the missiles, which include the cluster munitions and use launchers that Israel has already received, comes as the Bush administration has been trying to win support for a draft United Nations resolution that calls for immediate cessation of “all attacks” by Hezbollah and of “offensive military operations” by Israel.
Arab governments, under pressure to halt the rising number of civilian casualties in Lebanon, have criticized the measure for not calling for a withdrawal of Israeli troops from southern Lebanon.
While Bush administration officials have criticized Israeli strikes that have caused civilian casualties, they have also backed the offensive against Hezbollah by rushing arms shipments to the region. Last month the administration approved a shipment of precision-guided munitions, which one senior official said this week included at least 25 of the 5,000-pound “bunker-buster” bombs.
Israel has recently asked for another shipment of precision-guided munitions, which is likely to be approved, the senior official said.
It is really revealing that Israel cannot produce the weapons it uses in war.
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quote:For those of you who think Israel is wrong for going after Hezlbola, what happened in London today is a wakeup call. --Biafra
What about those who think it is wrong of Israel to go after innocent lebanese children? any wakeup calls for us?
The terrorists in london where prevented from bombing innocent civillians in england and you are applauding. Who is to stop Israel from doing this same thing (bombing innocent civillians in lebanon) ?
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I am sorry for not being able to respond to your last post, it's just that my hols is now over and i have to work thru the week, but i hope to be able to respond sometime soon if you are realy willing to be informsd about these issues. I REALY HOPE YOU ARE NOT IMPERVIOUS TO LOGIC/REASON. I WILL PROVIDE FACTS AND YOU SORT YOUR SELF OUT. THANKS.
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ha! ha! mureed, i can understand from this, that the Religion you identify with is the one that does not recorgnise the Bible as the Word of true God. ok.. i see you are a muslim - that explains partly your anti Isreali and anti american view:-M. Weber
I can,t realy see how calling a spade a spade can be held to mean anti-israel or anti-american. all i have tried to do is to highlight some basic facts that are almost always ignored and try to strike a balance. it is a simple and worldwide way of reasoning, but when it comes to israel/america there seem to be other ways of reasoning which i object to. you should note that we do not leave in an island and that our actions either good or bad brings with it consequeces as a direct response. Israels atrocities of the past (and even present) can not be ignored when disscussing the the issue of the middle east but israel thinks it can always get away with atrocities of any magnitude and still come back crying the victim. despite the pro israeli media propaganda trying to explain and justify every israeli action and never forgeting to use the word terrorist when reffering to hizbullah the zoinist are still crying wolf and saying people are anti semites. this is why i always tell guys to use thier brain, it is not for decoration and that it is the only way you can discern and put the right blocks in the right place.
b4 anything, can you please tell me were exactly in the Genesis that it was pronounced that the World is 5000 years old:-M.Weber
Like i have preiously stated you need to be open minded and not unneccessarily rigid on looking for a verse which specifically states that the earth is about 5000yrs old. the following are excerpts from the wikipedia
"Archbishop James Ussher of Armagh, Ireland, calculated from the Bible (augmented by some astronomy and numerology) that creation began on October 23, 4004 BC" search 'age of the earth'. Note the calculations are made by working back and working out the number of years as provided by the bible. for example the number of years from Adam to the flood is calculated as follows please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_chronology
Based on the genealogies in Genesis and later parts of the Bible, both religious Jews and Christians have independently worked backwards to estimate the time of the Creation of the world. This approach suggests Creation was around the beginning of the 4th millennium BC (THE SAME AS THE REVVERENDS WORK ABOVE). This dating is based on an entirely literal reading of the creation account: that the six days in which God created the heavens and the earth were 24-hour days, that Adam, Eve, and the Garden of Eden existed, and that a complete trace of events from Creation to a historically verifiable date is listed in the Biblical account. see geneaology from Adam to Jesus: http://www.ldolphin.org/2adams.html
so mr weber you can see that i did not fabricate it as you wrwe probably expecting.
can you also be kind to tell us how many years old did your Koran correctly pronounced the World to be and were was it stated:-M.Weber
The Quran is non-commital on such issues and therefore does not place any dates on the timing of such events.Note that the quran is not a history book and only tells you history when it is neccessary.
The events which you have tried to use as a bases for supporting your claim that the genesis verse is truely from God are completely irrelevant as such violence are not unique to the arab people and can be found among other communities and even in a more dangerous proportion. you reducing this universal act to just the arabs makes your intentions spurious. to make the point you reduced what caused the violence to a mere statement refering to the the arabs as slums by a french politician,this is standing the truth on its head. you refused to state that two arab migrants died (they were electrocuted)while trying to hide from the racist french police and that these youth do not find jobs to do not because they are lazy but because they are not french and certainly in any society the soul garator of peace is economic balance or at least a sense of it. dont give me the story that these are illegal migrants even those with legal papers cant find jobs and hence they joined the demonstrations to show their anger even if the destruction that followed is not justifiable at least they still had a flimsy excuse. what wold you say about hooliganism especialy football hooliganism which takes place mostly in the UK. such violence is more rampant and without reason other than the joy of it. what does the bible say about them? does this mean that they too have been pridicted to live like "wild animals" or are they also among the children of ishmael?. The same applies to your story on van gouh the film producer. This man produced a film blaspheming against islam, muslims/arabs were all aggrieved, an extremist finds this man and kills him. so you say this justifies that biblical prediction! i beg to deffer. what about the people that are being killed every day by serio killers in the US and the UK? does that make americans and the west a cursed people?. To cut the story short Arabs are not in anyway different from all other nations on earth, what you are accussing them of can be found in every other society and sometimes even worst. what about africans are we any better? look at the rwandan massacre,how a whole nation was about to be systematically wiped off the surface of the earth. look at liberia and the mass killings that occured there. in europe we can give examples of yugoslavia where the bosnian muslims were being systemaicaly cleansed. and this is just in recent history, if we go back history lane you will be suprised how barbaric this europeans were but no one said they were cursed.I urge you to do some research on violence,massacre or genocide you will be supprised what you will find.
from the foregoing we can see that if violence can be used to define who a curse has been placed upon then you should move your searchlight to europe you certainly wont have a shortage of them.
this brings us back to what i said earlier about stereotyping. I urge you and anyone who is open minded to go back and read through genesis again taking note of the various attempts at enslaving, denouncing and then demonising ishmael the first born just to make isaac the only good thing that ever happened. PLEASE DO.
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Israel has been saved by the bell (the recent United Nation's resolution) to cease war hostilities. If the war had continued, the Israelis should have killed more Lebanese civilians and destroyed more infrastructures while a great percentage of Israeli troops should have been wiped out. The Israelis were losing more troops than the Hizbollah. So, Israel has been saved by the bell.
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quote:Israel has been saved by the bell (the recent United Nation's resolution) to cease war hostilities. If the war had continued, the Israelis should have killed more Lebanese civilians and destroyed more infrastructures while a great percentage of Israeli troops should have been wiped out. The Israelis were losing more troops than the Hizbollah. So, Israel has been saved by the bell.........>RICK
Very Juvenile indeed.
One Daud said; Isreal lost the war because they pulled out, the other said, Israel is saved by the bell, yet Isreal's cabinet is yet to sanction the UN resolution this Sunday; Israel has not pulled out, they are doggone dug in Southern Lebanon until the UN forces arrive. Isreal started the operation from Haiffa and into Southern Lebanon, three miles to the river,pushed Hezbullah to the corner; yet Isreal is saved by the bell or lost the war, some will say.
I am not sure these guys watched the United Nation plea to cease fire via C- Span on Friday chaired by the Ambassador for Ghana; Hezbullah was not represented but the Lebanese Ambassador pleaded for cease fire and Ambassador for Israel was exceptional in his speech for self defense and the aborted terror by Arabs in UK. I thought both made convincing argument but I like Israel better.
Now,these juvenile thinking and analysis by these two stoogies shows one's limited faculty in current affaires and a mockery on critical thinking.Any person with sound faculty knows that Isreal has crippled Hezbulah, forced the UN to implement the 1559 Resolution which calls to disarm Hezbullah,Lebanon to take control of it's state, the result, Lebanon has pleged 15,000 soldiers on the boader to replace Hezbullah; Hezbullah to return two kidnnaped soldeirs. Any questions whose interest is met? Copy and let me know.
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Seven Israeli soldiers killed yesterday. As far as I am concerned, While Lebanon lost a lot of noncombantant civilians and billions of dollars of infrastructures, Israelis lost this war. Hizbollah won.
Also, while America was able to remove Sadaam Hussein from power, in my own book, they lost the war in Iraq.
Summary: If the war in Lebanon goes on indefinitly, Israeli soldiers will be wiped out little by little. Similarly, if America soldeirs stay in Iraq indefinitely, none will come back home.
What is it in these wars that a normal person cannot see. These guys that cannot see may be JUVENILES. These are guerilla warfares. There are no standing armies to engage. One have to see his enemy to fight him. Enemies are out of sight. They come out at their own chosen time and place, kill and disappear.
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Funny? This is not funny. I'm neither a Hizbollah supporter nor a supporter of any terrorist group. I want Israel to have a clear-cut victory but it did not happen.
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Rick is dead right. Israel has agreed to UN resolution. what has Israel really achieved appart from a few square km of desert land gained at the price of wanton destruction of civillian life and property? What have they accomplished? Have they caught or eliminated the heezbee leaders? Have they stoped the terrorist attacks on Israel? what was the objective of this war? has the objective been acheived? I say Nay.
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