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Guys, I found the following article by the Associated Press quite interesting. It is a case of polygamy, where a man in Utah had been charged for having five wives. My question is, if the issue at hand is to the consent of all the parties involved, why prosecute the man? I believe if polygamy is legalized many domestic violence cases would not arise. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Prosecuting-Polygamy.html
What do you guys think?
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Adaeze, Check it out, I believe it's working. No, I'm not selling any advertisement for New York Times. So what do you thing about the polygamy case?
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PROVO, Utah (AP) -- A jury of five women and three men was chosen Monday to hear what is believed to be the country's first polygamy trial in nearly five decades.
At least three of the jurors had already heard of Tom Green, who lives with his five wives and 25 children in the Utah desert and has been a fixture in national media.
Green, 52, faces four counts of bigamy and one count of failing to pay child support. If convicted he could serve up to 25 years in prison and pay fines of up to $25,000.
Green also is charged separately with child rape because he allegedly married a 13-year-old. That trial has not been scheduled.
Green's media presence had raised questions as to whether an untainted jury pool could be found.
Indeed, Green's quest for publicity may have landed him in court in the first place.
He and his family have repeatedly appeared on national television, including an appearance Monday morning on CBS' ``The Early Show.''
But 4th District Judge Guy Burningham, who spent most of Monday individually screening jurors in a private conference room, said he is satisfied with the jury.
``I think we have a ... fair and impartial jury to hear the facts of the case,'' he said.
At least three potential jurors were rejected because they are strongly opposed to polygamy.
One of the disqualified jurors said he had seen Green on television and formed an opinion: ``I feel like we've got a polygamist here,'' he said. Names of potential jurors have been withheld by the court.
``I've seen it on TV, I feel like my tax dollars are going to this. It gave me the willies when all those little girls (Green's wives) came in this morning with all those little kids,'' the man said.
Attorneys were concerned about potential jurors' attitudes toward polygamy, which was brought to Utah by the Mormon pioneers in the 1840s. It was banned by the Utah Constitution and abandoned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints more than 100 years ago.
Many Utah residents -- including the prosecutor in Green's case, Juab County Attorney David Leavitt -- can trace their ancestry to polygamists. Leavitt is Gov. Mike Leavitt's younger brother.
Two of the prospective jurors questioned Monday morning said they have had direct contact with polygamists, one through a co-worker and another who had polygamist neighbors. Both were rejected.
A third who said he had a polygamist grandfather also was sent home.
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The greatest majority of people...especiallly men who practice polygamy are doing so due to selfish whims. They see the women as sexual conquests to be caged in and ravished and abused at whim.
However, polygamy in itself is not wrong. To be able to practise it in its purity, one has to have genuine love for mankind, and spiritual maturity. Its the greatest sin against God to acquire women and children that one can't take care of. Its called greed. Greed is the root of all evil.
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Amucha, In many nations of the world, bigamy is a legal and culturally accepted way of life. Some parts of Kenya, Philipines, Bangladesh, etc., practise bigamy. In Bangladesh, unmarried male members of the family pool their resources together to marry a bride. They all become her husband, after she's successfully married into the family. Now, I don't mean that they ALL POUNCE UPON her at the SAME TIME. They take turns...just like the polygamous group.
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Polygamy is then justified based on your thesis, if the man can afford it, right? But it must be known that the rejection of polygamy came about by man made laws and not of natural laws. In the Biblical days, if I would say, God did not fault or condemned polygamy. We made it a big deal and what it is today.
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Bature, If one is upright at heart and is driven by genuine love for the betterment of mankind, yes, he can be a polygamist...provided that the wives are willingly and freely consenting to the equitable terms of engagement and marriage.
The bible or koran or talmud has nothing to do with the invention of polygamy. Polygamy should be practised based on the universal love of God.
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Yea Bature you are trying to use sister Amanda to justify yourself for numbers 4 and 5. Your Muslim already allow you as many as you want, so don't to use Sister Amanda's thesis to justify yours.
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Bature, Are you a polygamist? If so, how do you treat your wives? Any of them here in the US with you? Are you contemplating acquiring an additional wife?
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Amanda: I am not a polygamist and I have no desire to have more than one wife when the time comes. What I am saying is, it is no crime to have more than one wife, if only you can take care of them.
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With the kind of affection that Amanda radiates with my Biafran brethren on this board, trying bigamy might not be out of way for her. (Ednut and Ohafia - take note) She seems to have appetite for it.
One woman is enough trouble for a man who wants to retain his sanity. Imagine having two Amandas under the same roof.
___________________ Bababoyz, EzeGburuGburu of BiafraNigeriaWorld
Why do you want to cause a rift between my sister and I? Do you want to finish what your people started between us and our south South neighbours? e no go work oh, lai lai !
Anyway "rumour" had it that the late MKO had a harem at his disposal and could afford a different lass for every night in a calendar month; and they were all legally bound to him. How did that guy manage?, because apparently some of the lasses are head-strong career journalists et al.
All,
Is it true that it was envy of MKO's record that drove sani to an untimely death as he tried a Viagra fuelled threesome with foreign tarts? I had read in some Oduduwa tabloids that his opting for a General's Erection as opposed to a General Election cost him his life.
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I see you guys are having tons of fun! not bad, eh.
Bababoyz, You are in the luck. My radical side is active today. I think bigamy can be fun...depending on who's practising it, and with whom. Should I decide to be a bigamist, I'd make two careful choices. Sorry, Ednut is out. Viagra can ony do so much. My total and absolute satisfaction should be a guarantee.
Ohafia, don't let Ednut corrupt your mind...or it too late? I see you like MKO's style. One woman for each day of the month? Like they say, when the cat's away, the mice will play. Such must have been the case with his thirty one women. By the way, were those sexually captivating women or just the sittin' dock kinds?
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Bababoyz, Believe me, having two Amandas in the house will be blissful paradise personified. You'd swear you'd have died and gone to Biafra heaven. You'd be a crusader for polygamous love. That is...assuming that you fit the profile.
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Though women outnumber men in todays world, modernity has rendered polygamy un viable. Legally that is, some men however, are still thier primordial Corpus Naturalis.... hence will never be satiated. Like Amanda said, it can hardly be about true love of Humanity. It's driven by ego and a fals sense of importance Corpus Naturalis
You introduced two very dangerous dimensions to this discourse from my point of view:
By publicly rejecting Ednut out of the choice of 2 blokes, you've set me up for a hate campaign which may border on jealousy. Please, I'm the only son of my mother that earns forex oh!
Secondly, you erroneously inferred that I like MKO's style. Nothing could be farther from the truth as the only thing I liked about MKO was his incarceration.
I'm quite proud to be associated with you lady B. As for Bababoyz and his match-breaking antics....hmmmm...no comments!
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Ohafia, So you're the only son of your mother, huh? I'm laughing so hard! Worry none, for I see no jealous dude out there. Ednut swore he's semi-retired from active duties. So even if I add him as the second husband, he'd be shacking his duties.
Hmmm... I wonder who can replace him. You got any one in mind? I have promised your Mom that I'd tread softly with you, so I won't be too demanding. However, I see you need a helper. What do you say?
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Amanda: How could you include me in the "leg-pulling" Bababoyz group. I had only advised Ohafia would be in the right hands as far as you were concerned.
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Too many reasons for my objection;., There is no love in that family especially from your father. You never get to spend quality time with your father. It is confusing to focus your attention to several women rather than one. No woman wants to share her husband with another woman. To me it is sheer slavery of women and perpetuates male domination of women. In addition, it is high maintainance to provide for two or three women with children.
Please don't get me wrong the sex could be good, ain't nothing wrong having great fantasy. However, I would not encourage marriage but fantasy.
My objection is based on three things, lack of one and one love from father, economy and slavery of women. I say outlaw it.
Hail Biafra
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