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Love is the power of God that binds two souls and make them one. There's no power on earth that can dissolve the bond.
The bodies may be forced apart by man or death for just a little time; but they will meet again.
Now, in this bond of God we find the marriage tie; all other unions are bonds of straw, and they who live in them commit adultery.
The man or woman who indulges lustful thoughts commits adultery. Whom God has joined together man cannot part; whom man has joined together live in sin. (From the Aquarian gospel of Jesus the Christ).
This is explosive! So folks, are we misinterpreting the true meaning of MARRIAGE? Are those in loveless marriages/relationships commiting adultery? What's your take?
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Amanda: The bodies may also be forced apart by woman or death. It goes both ways.
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You know "man" in the context Amanda used it includes all homo sapiens. If she gives you a black eye this time i won't come to your rescue.
I'll be back!
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Amanda: Corithians 7 explains the Lord's edict about marriage. It works both ways.
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Paul, I've gotten hold of the bible and I checked the chapter out. You see, Paul was giving his own edit. Jesus the Christ did not say or prescribe what Paul was saying. In his bid to win converts, he had to work around those corinthians and their traditions. These people were uncircuncised and non hebrews.
The sayings of Jesus the Christ has deeper meanings which when exposed, would put these latter day people of the cloth, etc to shame.
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Amanda: Was Paul's work not according to the teachings of Jesus Christ? Since you look more of an atheist, what then is your take on marriage not withstanding our own traditional principles?
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Paul, I'm shocked that you'd knowing misrepresent 1 Corinthians Chapt 7 vs 3 and 4. It says, " The husband should give to his wife her conjugalrights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does; LIKEWISE THE HUSBAND DOES NOT RULE OVER HIS OWN BODY, BUT THE WIFE DOES".
Therefore, if the man fail to do his part, in a marriage, he has no moral right to question or expect the wife to keep her part of the bargain. Most importantly, if he fails in his duties to love his wife...as both agreed upon, he's commiting adultery.
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Paul, I'm not an atheist, neither am I a religionist. I'm a spiritualist.
My take on marriage is as explained in the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ. I believe that marriage should come as a result of deep, non-selfish, compromising, caring love that is inspired by the love of God. The love of God is simply being in cognizance with the God within. For when you are in harmony with God within will you be one with the God above.
When a man is in tune with the God within himself, and the woman, likewise... their reciprocatory love for each other is MARRIAGE. It is that which God has joined together. See what Jesus the Christ meant?
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Amanda: Here you go again. So, marriage, as the Bible prescribes requesting man and woman to subscribe with the notion both parties have one thing in common--respecting one another--to effect the marriage. Also, you must understand that a man's role in a woman's life is of more significance.
I don't care how you look at it, man is man; and would always be the king of the household.
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How can one be in harmony/tune with the God within?
It seem simple, yet extremely difficult. By loving man (person) as yourself. For if you love one as yourself, you must have upheld the 42 commandments of God.
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I'm afraid you're not following the teachings of Jesus the Christ, thus, the commandments of God.
Look at this.... "This universal God is wisdom, will, and love. All men see not the Triune God. One sees him as the God of might; another as the God of thought; another as the God of love. A man's ideal is his God, and so, as man unfolds, his God unfolds. The nations of the earth see God from different points of view, so he does not seem the same to everyone. Man names the part of God that he sees, and this to him is all God; and every nation sees a part of God, and every nation has a nam e for God. When men become afraid of God, and takes him for a foe, they dress up men in fancy garbs and call them priests. And charge them to restrain the wrath of God by prayers; and when they fail to win his favor by their prayers, they buy him off with sacrifice sacrifice of animal, or bird. When man sees God as one with him, as father-God! and then he lays his hand in God's own hand, and all is well. And this is God. You are, each one, a priest, just for yourself; and sacrifice of blood God does not want. Just give your life in sacrificial service to the all of life, and God is pleased.
So if you know the love of God within, you'd never cause pain to your wife, perceived head of family or not.
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Amanda: To love someone as yourself meaning upholding God's law cannot be argued. But the point is, the man is the king of the house not necessary meaning the woman is not recognized in the household. But as in living in harmony, it is unquestionable that the man as proclaimed in modern era wants its traditional principles to be retained.
If you don't believe in that scenario (the subject-matter, which is man) what's your take toward effecting change?
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Paul, You said, "I don't care how you look at it, man is man; and would always be the king of the household".
I'm afraid you're seeing man from the wordly (carnal) point of view.
David, the Psalmist asked, "What is man that thou art mindful of him, or the son of man that thou visiteth him?" According to the Akashic Record or the Universal Mind, "man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and is part of God. Man is a thought of God; all thoughts of God are infinite. So sprirt-man as the seed of God, held deep within himself the attributes of every part of God. When man has conquered every foe upon the plane of soul, the seed will have opened out, will have unfolded in the Holy Breath (Sprirt). And man will then attain unto the blessedness of perfectness and be at one with God.
Therefore, if you recognise and practise the above in your consciousness, you will be very humble, self-giving, and not visualize man into pompous/selfish thought as you have done above.
P/S Do not be flabbergasted. I'm only showing you the other (true) side of the coin (man).
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Paul, Quote: "But as in living in harmony, it is unquestionable that the man as proclaimed in modern era wants its traditional principles to be retained."
You cannot serve God and mammon at the same time. You are either for the commandment of God or you are upholding the commandents/laws of men. "Traditional principles" are laws of men made by men to "covet". To covet is an all-consuming wish to have what is not right for one to have. And such a wish, within the spirit of the law, is theft. And Jesus the Christ continued... " The carnal man abhors the spirit law (law of God), because it takes away his liberty to live in sin; beneath its lights he cannot satisfy his passions and desires."
Now you see that "traditions of men" in stead of God's are not acceptable in the eyes of God. Tha's serving mammon.
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Paul, "So, marriage, as the Bible prescribes requesting man and woman to subscribe with the notion both parties have one thing in common--respecting one another--to effect the marriage; realizing the not necessary motives seemingly not of any help to "better" the marriage or not make things work. Also, you must understand that a man's role in a woman's life is of more significance."
The KEY word here is "LOVE", not respect. When a husband loves his wife, he'll 1) Cherish her 2) Respect her 3) See her as more significant 4) Do every thing to maintain harmony 5) Be humble, not arrogant/pompous 6) Not see his role as more significant 7) Not harbor any negative thoughts against her.
Only if you steadfastedly uphold the above, would you claim that you love your wife. If you don't, I'm afraid you are commiting adultery against her.
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Amanda: When I say "modern era" I actually mean the New Testament which reveals the true gospel as prescribed and revealed by our Lord Jesus Christ coupled with the edicts of the Holy Bible, which in its entity regarding marriage and the right of man to have acknowledged a woman's role--to respect the husband.
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I see. However, the message I've been giving you is from the horse's mouth himself, Jesus the Christ. In this book, all his sayings were furnished as he said them...unedited. As such, it is an elaborate version of the new Testament of Jesus the Christ.
The new testament that you are in possession of, is the one that was revised and further edited during the meeting of the religious Councils at Nice...in the 16th century. Most of Jesus' sayings were printed incomplete, or subtracted in the current new Testament bible. Once you realize this, you'll probably have a different understanding of the bible.
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Amanda; My take, overall, is not based on the Bible and other religious doctrines; but based on the moral good. Until we understand these phenomenal concepts, then the entire world would be a better place to live, for us all.
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Paul, The Speaker (Jesus the Christ) and his sayings are the essence of morality. He is the supreme morality of God made manifest in man, so that we, humans can emulate him and attain oneness with God.
The practice of tradition that subjugates the woman and declare her inferior to man is immoral and highly in contrast with the will and commandments of God. If we claim that we are moral and Godly, a man should not arrogate himself the supremacy over a woman...just because his selfishly man-made tradition says so.
As we all pull together to fight for the actualization of Biafra, this subjugating tradition will be re-visited.
With this, I bid you goodnight. I'll continue much later...when I get a chance.
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Amanda: You are just too much. So how did you get to know about these books you just mentioned? Apparently a lot of things would go wrong.
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Paul, Not really... I'm just my simply, knowledge questing self. However, I'm really into spirituality, the essence of man.
So many things have gone wrong, man has hijacked the words and commandments of God and has manipulated them for selfish gains. And as such the multitude of people has been led astray.
Let's look at the saying, "God made man in his image".
If God made man in the likeness of God, then why is this fact not evident in our daily experience? The answer is that man as a whole has not completed his evolution (growth). In the same way that a 3 yr old has the faculties of an adult in a latent stage, so do the majotiry of people today, have their divine faculties in a dormant state.
Unfortunately, most societies lack the knowledge of how to spiritually cultivate their citizens, so that the majority fails to develop the moral part of their spirit. For example, the act of smoking tobacco in public forces others to inhale gases that are well known poisons. While you would not be permitted to slap strangers, you are permitted to poison them in socially accepted ways. This is just but one example among innumerable examples of the inability of the majority of people to think on an abstract level. They only recognise as immoral those specific examples of immorality that has been pointed out to them.
If an individual is able to develop these moral faculties, he becomes a candidate to develop the divine faculties. The ability to intuit the will of God, according to spiritual tradition, called wisdom. With the fully evolved individual, what is willed is not based on personal needs or wants. The person will intuit from God, the what, when, how, and why events that are to take place in people's lives. It is the only way in which all human actions can be in harmony with each other, leading thus to peace, and prosperity.
So if you follow this guideline in your daily living, nothing will go wrong. Rather, everything will be alright and we'd have restored ourselves to the days of the great Nubia empire when we lived in spiritual harmony, in reverence of God.
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Paul, Nubia was not only a black empire, it was an Igbo empire. The Nubians did not attend such greatness by compromising their women. Their women were great rulers, too.
The progress and success of Nubia was a result of their practise of Nubianism which simply means the quest for the discovery of the God within. By discovering the God within, you will have upheld all the commandments of God. And when you have obeyed the commandments of God, you have become one with God (the Christ). Ever wondered why they accomplished fits that marvel and baffle the world, including the West, till today?
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